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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Woodyhoopleson said:
I suppose what he's saying is that he acknowledges climate change, but he tells us that climate has always changed.

His graphs and data show that over history, global temperatures and CO2 levels have fluctuated enormously.

He mentions that correlation between the 2 doesn't imply causation.

He tells us that during periods of glaciation, CO2 is absorbed deep into the oceans and then released during warmer periods. We are currently in a warmer period.

He says the sun's influence is not factored in to the climate emergency model.

I've learned that CO2 comprises 0.04% of our atmosphere and that humans contribute 4% to that 0.04%.

I've learned that termites produce more CO2 than humans.

He tells us that CO2 is a hugely important gas for abundant life, citing that food producers pump extra CO2 into their greenhouses to increase growth.

There are lots of scientists saying the same things he's telling us, but they are not given a public platform.

The debate is never had on the mainstream and that's what's lacking in my opinion. We've got to the point that anyone who questions the emergency narrative is bundled into the same corner as holocaust deniers. That alone speaks volumes.

The scientists, like this guy, who are speaking up say that the science is on their side.

I'm like you, I'm not a scientist, I want to hear this debated properly and openly. I've tried numerous times to have the conversation on BBC radio, but when you tell the researcher what you want to talk about, you don't hear back from them.

Worth noting that climate change and pollution are two different topics, I'm certainly not suggesting that disgusting things are going on in the world, mainly to serve the economic growth of businesses.

There are consequences of simply accepting the climate emergency and they are dark and hugely controlling.

I simply want rational, scientific, open and honest debate.
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My layman understanding understanding is that temperatures do fluctuate over time but there is a spike since the industrial age that has been accelerating as time goes on. The geological (if that's the right term) fluctuations would be much more gradual or a spike might be related to volcanos or similar.

A quick search show that termites do produce substantial methane (not CO2) but the levels produced by termites would be fairly static all things being even. Mankind levels increase and termites appear to produce the same as the agricultural industry and energy instry combined.

Methane is apparently 28 times worse than CO2 for global warming effect but there is 120 times more CO2 released annually than methane (and CO2 emissions are increasing much faster).
 
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Climate Change
Stop blaming things and get ready for it
As the sheep flock to nothing but a trend I believe it will all die off in a few years.

I witnessed XR protesters travelling on a train yesterday when I got back into London all eating sandwiches in plastic wrappers.

A couple of good mates are right into it and their transition has been something to be believed . There is little sign in France other than nature acting naturally imo yet I was told by my guests that flies and nats are nearly all gone in the world

I took then down my garden by the river and they got eaten to bits

bollocks to this factoid brain washing rubbish
 
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Brexit: Boris Johnson and Leo Varadkar 'can see pathway to a deal'
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Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar agree they can "see a pathway to a possible deal" after talks, Downing Street says.
The leaders spoke for over two hours, including a one-to-one discussion during a walk in the grounds of Thornton Manor, Cheshire.
Mr Varadkar said Thursday's "positive" meeting was "sufficient to allow negotiations to resume in Brussels".
Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay will meet the EU's Michel Barnier on Friday.
On Wednesday, EU leaders accused the UK of proposing untested ideas, adding that progress had been limited.
A crunch EU summit next week on 17 and 18 October is seen as the last chance for the UK and EU to agree a deal ahead of 31 October deadline.
After the meeting, Mr Varadkar told reporters the talks were at a "very sensitive stage" but were "very positive and very promising ".
He said he was now "convinced" the UK wants an agreement, saying: "I do see a pathway towards an agreement in the coming weeks."
However, there were still issues over the issue of "consent and democracy" and ensuring there is no customs border.
The Brexit proposals from Mr Johnson includes a provision for the consent of Northern Ireland's politicians to be sought every four years - meaning the arrangement could, in theory, continue indefinitely.
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Leo Varadkar: Brexit talks 'very promising'
"It remains our position that there can't be a hard border between north and south," he added.
A joint statement said the prime minister and Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) had a "detailed and constructive discussion".
"Both continue to believe that a deal is in everybody's interest," the statement said. "They agreed that they could see a pathway to a possible deal."
The talks concentrated on "the challenges of customs and consent", Downing Street said.
"They agreed to reflect further on their discussions and that officials would continue to engage intensively on them."
Mr Johnson put forward fresh proposals for a Brexit deal last week, but Mr Varadkar had previously said "big gaps" remained between the UK and the EU.
Cabinet minister Michael Gove, who has responsibility for the UK's no-deal preparations, said: "I have to prepare for every eventuality but I'm hopeful following the good conversation that they had that we can make good progress in the days ahead."
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What are the PM's border plans?
Under Mr Johnson's proposals, which he calls a "broad landing zone" for a new deal with the EU:
  • Northern Ireland would leave the EU's customs union alongside the rest of the UK, at the start of 2021
  • But Northern Ireland would continue to apply EU legislation relating to agricultural and other products, if the Northern Ireland Assembly approves
  • This arrangement could, in theory, continue indefinitely, but the consent of Northern Ireland's politicians would have to be sought every four years
  • Customs checks on goods traded between the UK and EU would be "decentralised", with paperwork submitted electronically and only a "very small number" of physical checks
  • These checks should take place away from the border itself, at business premises or at "other points in the supply chain"
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The prime minister has insisted the UK will leave the EU with or without a deal at the end of the month.
That is despite the so-called Benn Act - passed by MPs last month - demanding he request a delay to the Article 50 deadline from the EU until January 2020 if a deal has not been agreed before 19 October.
On Wednesday, Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom suggested the PM was gearing up to bypass legal obstacles to a no-deal Brexit by sending one letter requesting an extension and, in the same instance, submitting a second memo telling European leaders he does not want one.
Asked on ITV's Peston programme whether the idea of sending two letters to the EU was a possible loophole, Ms Leadsom replied: "Absolutely."

In a speech in Northampton, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn reiterated that his party would agree to a general election as soon as no-deal has been taken "off the table", as the PM "can't be trusted not to break the law".
He also accused Mr Johnson of "using the Queen" to deliver a "pre-election Tory party political broadcast" at next week's state opening of Parliament.
He told party supporters that the government had "no obvious means" of getting new laws passed, and holding a Queen's Speech before an election was a "cynical stunt."
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Timeline: What's happening ahead of Brexit deadline?
Monday 14 October - The Commons is due to return, and the government will use the Queen's Speech to set out its legislative agenda. The speech will then be debated by MPs throughout the week.
Thursday 17 October - Crucial two-day summit of EU leaders begins in Brussels. This is the last such meeting currently scheduled before the Brexit deadline.
Saturday 19 October - Special sitting of Parliament and the date by which the PM must ask the EU for another delay to Brexit under the Benn Act, if no Brexit deal has been approved by Parliament and they have not agreed to the UK leaving with no-deal.
Thursday 31 October - Date by which the UK is due to leave the EU, with or without a withdrawal agreement.
 
kiwiqpr said:
Brexit: Boris Johnson and Leo Varadkar 'can see pathway to a deal'
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Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar agree they can "see a pathway to a possible deal" after talks, Downing Street says.
The leaders spoke for over two hours, including a one-to-one discussion during a walk in the grounds of Thornton Manor, Cheshire.
Mr Varadkar said Thursday's "positive" meeting was "sufficient to allow negotiations to resume in Brussels".
Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay will meet the EU's Michel Barnier on Friday.
On Wednesday, EU leaders accused the UK of proposing untested ideas, adding that progress had been limited.
A crunch EU summit next week on 17 and 18 October is seen as the last chance for the UK and EU to agree a deal ahead of 31 October deadline.
After the meeting, Mr Varadkar told reporters the talks were at a "very sensitive stage" but were "very positive and very promising ".
He said he was now "convinced" the UK wants an agreement, saying: "I do see a pathway towards an agreement in the coming weeks."
However, there were still issues over the issue of "consent and democracy" and ensuring there is no customs border.
The Brexit proposals from Mr Johnson includes a provision for the consent of Northern Ireland's politicians to be sought every four years - meaning the arrangement could, in theory, continue indefinitely.
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Leo Varadkar: Brexit talks 'very promising'
"It remains our position that there can't be a hard border between north and south," he added.
A joint statement said the prime minister and Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) had a "detailed and constructive discussion".
"Both continue to believe that a deal is in everybody's interest," the statement said. "They agreed that they could see a pathway to a possible deal."
The talks concentrated on "the challenges of customs and consent", Downing Street said.
"They agreed to reflect further on their discussions and that officials would continue to engage intensively on them."
Mr Johnson put forward fresh proposals for a Brexit deal last week, but Mr Varadkar had previously said "big gaps" remained between the UK and the EU.
Cabinet minister Michael Gove, who has responsibility for the UK's no-deal preparations, said: "I have to prepare for every eventuality but I'm hopeful following the good conversation that they had that we can make good progress in the days ahead."
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What are the PM's border plans?
Under Mr Johnson's proposals, which he calls a "broad landing zone" for a new deal with the EU:
  • Northern Ireland would leave the EU's customs union alongside the rest of the UK, at the start of 2021
  • But Northern Ireland would continue to apply EU legislation relating to agricultural and other products, if the Northern Ireland Assembly approves
  • This arrangement could, in theory, continue indefinitely, but the consent of Northern Ireland's politicians would have to be sought every four years
  • Customs checks on goods traded between the UK and EU would be "decentralised", with paperwork submitted electronically and only a "very small number" of physical checks
  • These checks should take place away from the border itself, at business premises or at "other points in the supply chain"
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The prime minister has insisted the UK will leave the EU with or without a deal at the end of the month.
That is despite the so-called Benn Act - passed by MPs last month - demanding he request a delay to the Article 50 deadline from the EU until January 2020 if a deal has not been agreed before 19 October.
On Wednesday, Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom suggested the PM was gearing up to bypass legal obstacles to a no-deal Brexit by sending one letter requesting an extension and, in the same instance, submitting a second memo telling European leaders he does not want one.
Asked on ITV's Peston programme whether the idea of sending two letters to the EU was a possible loophole, Ms Leadsom replied: "Absolutely."

In a speech in Northampton, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn reiterated that his party would agree to a general election as soon as no-deal has been taken "off the table", as the PM "can't be trusted not to break the law".
He also accused Mr Johnson of "using the Queen" to deliver a "pre-election Tory party political broadcast" at next week's state opening of Parliament.
He told party supporters that the government had "no obvious means" of getting new laws passed, and holding a Queen's Speech before an election was a "cynical stunt."
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Timeline: What's happening ahead of Brexit deadline?
Monday 14 October - The Commons is due to return, and the government will use the Queen's Speech to set out its legislative agenda. The speech will then be debated by MPs throughout the week.
Thursday 17 October - Crucial two-day summit of EU leaders begins in Brussels. This is the last such meeting currently scheduled before the Brexit deadline.
Saturday 19 October - Special sitting of Parliament and the date by which the PM must ask the EU for another delay to Brexit under the Benn Act, if no Brexit deal has been approved by Parliament and they have not agreed to the UK leaving with no-deal.
Thursday 31 October - Date by which the UK is due to leave the EU, with or without a withdrawal agreement.
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I get the feeling that the plan quoted was not part of the discussions and it would need to be either new or considerably refined but if Boris and Leo are feeling positive then there's hope of something.

It's the first mutually positive vibes for months so I hope something can be done, passed and we can finally move on.

ANY agreement (and by both sides agreeing it will be sensible by necessity) and the event of leaving is the only way we can start rebuilding this fractured society.

For interest, I would still vote Lib Dem in an election if nothing has been decided before the next GE.
 
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KooPeeArr said:
I get the feeling that the plan quoted was not part of the discussions and it would need to be either new or considerably refined but if Boris and Leo are feeling positive then there's hope of something.

It's the first mutually positive vibes for months so I hope something can be done, passed and we can finally move on.

ANY agreement (and by both sides agreeing it will be sensible by necessity) and the event of leaving is the only way we can start rebuilding this fractured society.

For interest, I would still vote Lib Dem in an election if nothing has been decided before the next GE.
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I suspect they were exchanging jokes all afternoon.

But, I have been wondering how you, or anyone, could make the probably huge jump from wanting a Boris agreement this month to voting to revoke with LibDem next month?
 
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QPR Oslo said:
I suspect they were exchanging jokes all afternoon.

But, I have been wondering how you, or anyone, could make the probably huge jump from wanting a Boris agreement this month to voting to revoke with LibDem next month?
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If this can be brought to a quick finish then the compromised position is best.

However, if it goes further to a GE then much of it is on the premise of Brexit position. Lib Dems represent my view so I will go for them. There's another but though - I will vote tactically if it comes down to a (realistic) binary choice of Labour or Tory locally.

Currently Boris might be motivated to get a deal (due to getting it though parliament with his hamstrung minority) as his best chance of immediate exit but I wouldn't trust that to be the case if he gets a majority.
 
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Ok! I would be relatively happy if the "compromised position" was the UK leaving the EU, but included the UK staying in the single market, the Norway option, but that doesn't seem to get discussed now. I think it would be acceptable to the EU, Ireland, and might get voted through Parliament, especially now the DUP can no longer secure a Tory majority. I doubt Boris will go there, though not really sure what he really wants other than Power.
 
The University of Sheffield Student’s Union in the UK has banned white people from attending a meeting about anti-racism.
Yes, really.
The SU announced that it would hold focus groups on “how we can create an anti-racist Students’ Union” as part of an effort to shift from a “non-racist to an actively anti-racist” stance.
However, no white people are allowed to take part.
“Please note that these sessions are only open to black and minority ethnic (BME) students,” states the announcement.
Banning people from a meeting about racism because of their skin color is…what’s the word? Oh yeah, racist.
The controversy follows a similar farce at the University of Edinburgh where white people were banned from asking questions at an event called Resisting Whiteness.
“We will not be giving the microphone to white people during the Q&As, not because we don’t think white people have anything to offer to the discussion but because we want to amplify the voices of people of colour,” stated promotional material for the event.
 
kiwiqpr said:
The University of Sheffield Student’s Union in the UK has banned white people from attending a meeting about anti-racism.
Yes, really.
The SU announced that it would hold focus groups on “how we can create an anti-racist Students’ Union” as part of an effort to shift from a “non-racist to an actively anti-racist” stance.
However, no white people are allowed to take part.
“Please note that these sessions are only open to black and minority ethnic (BME) students,” states the announcement.
Banning people from a meeting about racism because of their skin color is…what’s the word? Oh yeah, racist.
The controversy follows a similar farce at the University of Edinburgh where white people were banned from asking questions at an event called Resisting Whiteness.
“We will not be giving the microphone to white people during the Q&As, not because we don’t think white people have anything to offer to the discussion but because we want to amplify the voices of people of colour,” stated promotional material for the event.
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The world we live in........ Complete joke
 
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Nearly all said and done
I don’t feel confident with our lot outside the EU still. We are currently borrowing vast amounts of money which is not enough anyway ... this all after years of austerity

How anyone can see or even feel a great change coming is still wrong imo

Of course it don’t affect me much but of course I still care about the con that is being played out . Even now it’s all about the Irish problem don’t let that deflect your thoughts it only one problem imo of many more

Hoping still it will eventually go to a vote on No Deal or No Brexit ... has to be the only finale

As for UK politics seriously ? The joke of the modern world imo
 
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