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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Rachel Johnson has an axe to grind as a very determined Remainer.

MP's like Soubry and Phillips court trouble by being personally sneering against those that disagree with them (including on Twitter) and then claim victimhood. They need to be more professional like most of the other female MP's
So it's their fault they are abused and get death threats. Holy f***** bananas.
 
Jo Cox's behaviour was beyond reproach and she was murdered by a psychopath. And out of the blue since she was highly regarded. Hard to stop that, then, now or in the future.
Harder to stop when the PM of today is using the language of hate, lies, unlawfully closes Parliament, and has a strategy of accusing MP's of blocking the will of the people. As has been said even his mostly Tory predecessors have not stooped that low.
 
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Jo Cox's behaviour was beyond reproach and she was murdered by a psychopath. And out of the blue since she was highly regarded. Hard to stop that, then, now or in the future.

How many outside of her constituency had heard of Jo Cox before she murdered ?
I hadn’t but going from what I’ve read and heard after.....she seems like she was a good person and battled hard. Can’t say the same for her husband who seems like a total wrong ‘un.
 
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Jo Cox's behaviour was beyond reproach and she was murdered by a psychopath. And out of the blue since she was highly regarded. Hard to stop that, then, now or in the future.

From Wiki on Jo Cox's murderer (my bold)....

The perpetrator of the attack was Thomas Alexander Mair, a 52-year-old unemployed gardener born in Scotland.[20] Mair had mental health problems,[21][1] though he was declared sane in the moment of the crime.[2] He believed individuals of liberal and left-wing political viewpoints, and the mainstream media, were the cause of the world's problems.[1] He targeted Cox, a "passionate defender" of the European Union and immigration, because he saw her as "one of 'the collaborators' [and] a traitor" to white people.[1]


Quote from Johnson in August...

There is a terrible kind of collaboration as it were going on between those who think they can block Brexit in parliament and our European friends.

Do you really believe that Johnson's language isn't dangerous?
 
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So it's their fault they are abused and get death threats. Holy f***** bananas.

No, it's the trolls that have the issue, but those two could do more to help themselves. Example - Soubry said on national TV in a Brexit debate, that Farage " looks like someone has their finger up his bottom and he likes it"

That sort of goading from a standing MP inflames things
 
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Brendan Cox: Husband of murdered MP quits charities after sexual assault allegations

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Brendan Cox has admitted "inappropriate" behaviour Credit: Andrew Crowley
18 February 2018 • 8:38am
The widower of murdered MP Jo Cox has quit two charities set up in her memory after sexual assault allegations from his past resurfaced.
Brendan Cox denied sexually harassing two women while he was married to the late politician, but accepted "inappropriate" behaviour, saying: "I made mistakes and behaved in a way that caused some women hurt and offence."
He has left posts at More in Common and the Jo Cox Foundation after the Mail on Sunday published accusations made by a former colleague while they both worked at charity Save the Children in 2015.
Months later, it is alleged he forced himself on a woman during a trip to Harvard University in the US.
He claimed allegations against him were a "massive exaggeration", during an interview with the newspaper.
But he said: "At the root [of the rumours] was a sense, which is fair, that I could overstep the line."
fatally shot and stabbed outside her constituency office by a far-right terrorist during the EU Referendum campaign in 2016.
Her husband said in a statement on Saturday night: "I want to apologise deeply and unreservedly for my past behaviour and for the hurt and offence that I have caused.
"In the aftermath of Jo's murder, I promised that I would dedicate my life to two things, firstly loving and protecting our children and secondly fighting the hatred that killed Jo.
"In the last few days allegations from several years ago have resurfaced that makes concentrating on both of those tasks much more difficult.
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Brendan Cox with his late wife's sister Kim Leadbeater, with whom he has worked on the More In Common movement Credit: Anthony Devlin/Getty
"For that reason, while away over half-term, I decided to step down from my current public roles for the time being.
"While I do not accept the allegations contained in the 2015 complaint to the police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, I do acknowledge and understand that during my time at Save the Children I made mistakes and behaved in a way that caused some women hurt and offence.
"This was never malicious but it was certainly inappropriate.
"In the past I have focused on disputing what I felt was untrue in the allegations, but I realise now that it's more important to take full responsibility for what I have done.
"I am committed to holding myself to much higher standards of personal conduct in the future."
The Mail on Sunday claimed Mr Cox drunkenly harassed a female employee at Save the Children in London - allegedly holding her by the throat and making a lurid comment. He left his role at the charity shortly afterwards.
The Coxes married in 2009 and had two children together.
In an interview with the newspaper, Mr Cox refused to disclose what his wife knew of the allegations, but said: "We never pretended that we had the perfect relationship, or the perfect marriage.
"We had difficult times, we had amazing times, but I'm not going to recount conversations I had with her because she's not here."
He conceded that there were "instances" where he made people feel uncomfortable at Save the Children which were viewed as inappropriate, adding: "I think that charge is a fair one."
He continued: "Certainly, I had too much to drink at times.
"I probably behaved in a way I thought was sort of jokey, or flirtatious. I often wasn't being serious, but that was perceived differently by others."
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Mrs Cox was fatally shot and stabbed outside her constituency office Credit: Jo Cox Foundation/PA
Details of his alleged behaviour at Save the Children comes as other charities face intense scrutiny about their handling of sexual exploitation claims.
Oxfam has been plunged into chaos after it emerged that aid workers sent to earthquake-shattered Haiti had used prostitutes in 2011 - an episode the charity is accused of covering up.
The Mail on Sunday reported in 2015 that Cox had stepped down from his position as chief strategist after allegations of “inappropriate behaviour” before a misconduct hearing.
In a statement, Save the Children said that Cox had been suspended and a disciplinary procedure begun after allegations in 2015, but Cox resigned before it could be completed.
A spokesman for the Jo Cox Foundation said: "The board of the Jo Cox Foundation has accepted Brendan Cox's resignation as trustee.
"Since establishing the Jo Cox Foundation, the trustees and staff have admired the integrity, commitment and dedication that Brendan has shown in our work to create a positive legacy for Jo.
"The Jo Cox Foundation was established in September 2016 to channel the energy and determination generated by Jo's life and murder into practical efforts to advance the causes she championed.
"The trustees and staff remain committed to continuing this important work and honouring Jo's life."
 
From Wiki on Jo Cox's murderer (my bold)....

The perpetrator of the attack was Thomas Alexander Mair, a 52-year-old unemployed gardener born in Scotland.[20] Mair had mental health problems,[21][1] though he was declared sane in the moment of the crime.[2] He believed individuals of liberal and left-wing political viewpoints, and the mainstream media, were the cause of the world's problems.[1] He targeted Cox, a "passionate defender" of the European Union and immigration, because he saw her as "one of 'the collaborators' [and] a traitor" to white people.[1]


Quote from Johnson in August...

There is a terrible kind of collaboration as it were going on between those who think they can block Brexit in parliament and our European friends.

Do you really believe that Johnson's language isn't dangerous?

I didn't say Mair was insane. I said psychopath

There has been collaboration with the EU. Swinson asked the EU not to give the UK a good deal so she could reverse Brexit. That is collaboration
 
Johnson's sister disagrees with you........

I do think it was particularly tasteless for those grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honour her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against. I think it was a very tasteless way of referring to the memory of a murdered MP, murdered by someone who said “Britain first”, of the far right tendency, which you could argue is being whipped up by this sort of language.

My brother is using words like surrender and capitulation as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people as defined by 17.4m votes in 2016 should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered. I think that is highly reprehensible language to use.

Oh, and regarding Jess Phillips...

Jess Phillips says man arrested after trying to smash windows at her constituency offce
The Labour MP Jess Phillips, who represents Birmingham Yardley, has revealed that a man has been arrested after trying to “kick the door” of her constituency office while reportedly shouting that she was a fascist. She told LBC Radio:

I’ve only just heard about it myself but my staff had to be locked into my office while the man tried to smash the windows and kick the door, I believe. I don’t know what I can say because the man has been arrested.

Incidentally, is it likely that a right wing fascist is going to attack Phillips and accuse her of being a fascist?!

This sounds like an attack from one of Corbyn's anti semitic antifa's
 
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I didn't say Mair was insane. I said psychopath

There has been collaboration with the EU. Swinson asked the EU not to give the UK a good deal so she could reverse Brexit. That is collaboration
Come on, it's not the word in itself, it's the whole pattern of warlike rhetoric. Surrender, collaborators, traitors. The EU are not the ****ing enemy and people who want to remain part of it are not traitors.
 
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hope no one tells greta
maybe they are electric planes


EU increases its budget for officials’ private jets by 50 per cent despite pledges to tackle climate change
  • The EU has increased 'air taxi' contract to transport top officials to €10.71 million
  • Deal originally for €7.14m and included destinations such as Berlin and Stuttgart
  • Now thought limit will be reached before end date in 2021 so amount increased
  • Yesterday EU commissioner for climate action said the bloc was 'climate leader'
By Bryony Jewell For Mailonline
Published: 00:24 AEST, 25 September 2019 | Updated: 00:54 AEST, 25 September 2019
The European Union is set to spend an extra three million euros on funding private jets for its officials, while also aiming to be a 'global climate leader'.
Although still two years away from the 'air taxi' contract ending, the EU has decided to raise the amount that can be spent to €10.71 million, a 50 per cent increase on the starting amount.
Originally the deal, which runs from 2016 to 2021, had a value of €7.14 million but it is not thought that will not cover all the travel needed, reports Politico.
 
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It seems some leavers are not accepting the result of the Supreme Court.
Guys, we can’t function as a country if the losing side does not accept a result when it does not go their way.