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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
colognehornet said:
Would it be democratic to leave the EU at a time when the majority of the population may well be against it ? Put another way - why is it so undemocratic to ask for a second opinion after 3 years time have relapsed along with a better feel for the issues involved ?
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You can't ask for a second vote before you've implemented the first. It's that, that is undemocratic.The forthcoming GE, which I assume will happen in November, will be a Brexit referendum. If Remain is that strong, we'll have a Lib Dem government, or perhaps coalition with Labour. But I doubt it personally
 
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Turkish" Premier" Hoops said:
No it’s not serious straw clutching, it’s someone having the bollox to play the corrupt EU at their own game and finally somebody having the minerals to deliver what the country voted for over 3 f*****g years ago, it now doesn’t matter which way you voted, that’s been done to death, scaremongering, lying, delaying etc, that’s all been done, it’s now about delivering what the majority voted for, it really is that simple.
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We want our Bwexit <wah>
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Julia Hartley-Brewer
The Remoaners think they’ve won and that they’ll be able to stop Brexit. They’re so wrong. I’ve yet to meet a single Leave voter who isn’t boiling with anger & determined with all their soul to vote these anti-democrats out & elect a Parliament that WILL deliver Brexit [HASHTAG]#TickTock[/HASHTAG]

Pretty much where I am
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Tell them (and yourself) to watch the video Stroller just put up. And not only Ireland, you don't have to look back so long in our European history to see how it was in England, the UK, about all of Europe, and most of the Globe from Europe's wars before the EU. Leavers "boiling with anger" about what was it now, holy f****** bananas being too big for their spotty, red face Mrsses, or Brussels expense claims being at Westminster level. Chr*** on a bike.
 
QPR Oslo said:
Tell them (and yourself) to watch the video Stroller just put up. And not only Ireland, you don't have to look back so long in our European history to see how it was in England, the UK, about all of Europe, and most of the Globe from Europe's wars before the EU. Leavers "boiling with anger" about what was it now, holy f****** bananas being too big for their spotty, red face Mrsses, or Brussels expense claims being at Westminster level. Chr*** on a bike.
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You need to calm down at your age Oslo.........your blood pressure will be through the roof.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
You can't ask for a second vote before you've implemented the first. It's that, that is undemocratic.The forthcoming GE, which I assume will happen in November, will be a Brexit referendum. If Remain is that strong, we'll have a Lib Dem government, or perhaps coalition with Labour. But I doubt it personally
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Of course you can. It’s a myth cooked up by simple Leavers that you can’t.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
You can't ask for a second vote before you've implemented the first. It's that, that is undemocratic.The forthcoming GE, which I assume will happen in November, will be a Brexit referendum. If Remain is that strong, we'll have a Lib Dem government, or perhaps coalition with Labour. But I doubt it personally
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Yes you can. The basis and manner in which the first one was done had zilch to do with democracy.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Distinguish it then. You're being evasive
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Again? Fine.

The General Election system, for all its flaws and over-simplicity due to its age, has come about through centuries of law and reform. Referendums are fundamentally undemocratic because both sides, particularly the one arguing against the status quo, aren’t accountable for anything they promise. Cameron rushed this through to save his party under pressure from his own right wing and in doing so it was a painfully vague question, opening up “Leave” to be manipulated into various types of Leave depending on what people wanted to hear.

The only way it could have been legitimate was by agreeing a deal beforehand and putting that to a vote versus Remain. Then we could’ve avoided the last three years’ **** show which has again just been an exercise is keeping the Tories alive.
 
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West WindsR said:
Again? Fine.

The General Election system, for all its flaws and over-simplicity due to its age, has come about through centuries of law and reform. Referendums are fundamentally undemocratic because both sides, particularly the one arguing against the status quo, aren’t accountable for anything they promise. Cameron rushed this through to save his party under pressure from his own right wing and in doing so it was a painfully vague question, opening up “Leave” to be manipulated into various types of Leave depending on what people wanted to hear.

The only way it could have been legitimate was by agreeing a deal beforehand and putting that to a vote versus Remain. Then we could’ve avoided the last three years’ **** show which has again just been an exercise is keeping the Tories alive.
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If you talk about accountability and parties taking responsibility, you'll be delighted by the forthcoming GE, because the Tories are taking a clear Leave position, and Labour and the Lib Dems are taking a Remain position.

The Tories will be held to their promises.

It's a typical bad losers argument, when a referendum has been run and lost, notwithstanding it was the largest democratic turn out in UK history, to say it was all unfair in the first place. Labour bought into the referendum.

And the fact is, despite all the **** that's been thrown by Remoaners at the result in the last 3 years, there's no evidence whatsoever that people have changed their minds.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
If you talk about accountability and parties taking responsibility, you'll be delighted by the forthcoming GE, because the Tories are taking a clear Leave position, and Labour and the Lib Dems are taking a Remain position.

The Tories will be held to their promises.

It's a typical bad losers argument, when a referendum has been run and lost, notwithstanding it was the largest democratic turn out in UK history, to say it was all unfair in the first place. Labour bought into the referendum.

And the fact is, despite all the **** that's been thrown by Remoaners at the result in the last 3 years, there's no evidence whatsoever that people have changed their minds.
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There’s plenty of evidence the result was illegally obtained though but that’s not a problem.
 
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