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Lots of 'ifs' and 'buts'. If they do this, if he says that. It's all a load of ****e and as DT stated ages ago, its theatre.
Fortunately or unfortunately as the case may be, people are now realising the amount of lies that were and are still being sold to them. The public are seeing through this. These imaginary EU negotiations that have been taking place, the sudden 'undemocratic backstop' which was never thought of before Cummings joined the party. It's all a load of ****e that if said often enough then thick ****s will believe. Mogg was totally correct in his prediction that the country wont benefit for close to half a century. Is it all worth it?? Really worth it?
Fortunately or unfortunately as the case may be, people are now realising the amount of lies that were and are still being sold to them. The public are seeing through this. These imaginary EU negotiations that have been taking place, the sudden 'undemocratic backstop' which was never thought of before Cummings joined the party. It's all a load of ****e that if said often enough then thick ****s will believe. Mogg was totally correct in his prediction that the country wont benefit for close to half a century. Is it all worth it?? Really worth it?
I largely agree with Flora here...
Could Commons defeat yet prove to be a benefit to PM? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49574550
Could Commons defeat yet prove to be a benefit to PM? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49574550
Looks like old Boris and his plans for an early election might fall flat as labour nor lib dems will vote for it. Not a good start for the silly bastard eh. In fairness to Boris, I do find him entertaining, probably for the wrong reasons but still reminds me of a cartoon character. This guy is controlled on strings by other people that's for sure.
That's my (lay) reading of the article too. I think, could be wrong, the article also said it's ultimately up to Bercow to decide if legislation requires the Queen's Consent or just Royal Assent. Which is where he could (again) defy custom to have the will of the HoC implemented over a potential Executive edict / overreach [depending on what side you're on].
Obviously depending on which side you're on you spin it either way - on one hand Bercow defies custom to support remainers and oppose Boris and the referendum result. On the other, Bercow stop an unelected executive overruling the expressed majority vote of a Sovereign Parliament. Both legitimate and on and on the echo chamber goes
That my friend is way off the mark
All the countries in the EU are on the edge regarding financials we have just got over a world wide balls caused by the US shorting their housing market. The effects for us are the same but Germany and France operate on a completely different system they do not underpin everything they own on the housing market ... yes there area in Europe that will be effected but there are more that will not.
Cum on over see it for yourself in my neck of the woods the growth of industry in hard to comprehend at times it gone crazy.
It’s a opportunity seen by the French imo because the UK is too busy trying to ruin itself .
You only read headlines there what people want you to read
I am Kate Aidy on the ground and have seen things over the last few years across Europe that proves to me Europe is prepared
Forget France Germany etc look at Dublin
That's my (lay) reading of the article too. I think, could be wrong, the article also said it's ultimately up to Bercow to decide if legislation requires the Queen's Consent or just Royal Assent. Which is where he could (again) defy custom to have the will of the HoC implemented over a potential Executive edict / overreach [depending on what side you're on].
Obviously depending on which side you're on you spin it either way - on one hand Bercow defies custom to support remainers and oppose Boris and the referendum result. On the other, Bercow stop an unelected executive overruling the expressed majority vote of a Sovereign Parliament. Both legitimate and on and on the echo chamber goes
Agree. Bercow has to take care over the precedent he sets. Interestingly, the main media doesn't seem to have picked up on any of this. Labour front bench currently saying that so long as their No-deal legislation goes through, they will agree a GE on October 15. This would technically allow Boris to win and repeal the No-deal legislation, and Labour are apparently prepared to go along with this, presumably on the basis that Boris's No deal manifesto will allow him to hang himself
In other news........London yesterday reached its 100th murder this year.
Hmmm... we shall see, mon ami, we shall see.
BTW, if you think all I do is read the Daily Mail headlines then you’re sorely mistaken.
I wouldn’t judge the Daily Mail they are all terrible add to that Sky News and you have the front runners of the people responsible for ruining our country
I won’t start on the BBC as they have lost the plot completely
I am sorely misunderstood
This is the championship son
Hope Donald Trump dies soon ... by the way we are all going to die it’s want we do in the middle bit since our birth ... some deserve to exit stage left sooner
Really Paul ? I’m not saying your wrong but interesting to debate something other than ****ing Brexit (which on here has gone round in constant circles)
I have no answer to the problem but reckon youth education (like from the KPF and my very own LAS) could be the key.
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Currently interviewing this lady to be President of the ECB. No other candidates put forward. So I guess she gets the job?
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Currently interviewing this lady to be President of the ECB. No other candidates put forward. So I guess she gets the job?
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Revealed: Lords Plan to Block Remainer Legislation
Guido can today reveal that pro-Governemnt forces in the House of Lords have a comprehensive, co-ordinated plan to prevent Hilary Benn’s anti-No Deal ‘Surrender Bill’ from becoming law, in the likely event it is passed in the Commons this evening.
The Shadow Leader of the Lords yesterday proposed a Business Motion to change the conventions of the House of Lords preventing the bill being talked out and forcing it to be taken on Thursday and Friday. The motion includes the imposition of mechanisms such as time limits, alien to House of Lords convention. Pro-Government peers, however, have tabled 86 amendments to the Business Motion, each of which require two votes to be heard and dismissed…
The pro-Government plan will see the very motion intended to ease the passage of the Benn Bill become the roadblock to it being passed. Senior Lords sources inform Guido that the time it will take the upper chamber to hear and vote on each amendment, as its rules compel it to do, would take up continuous 24/7 sitting until Saturday. Only after then could the Remainers’ anti-No Deal Bill be put. The Tories are determined to not see the Prime Minister’s hands bound in these negotiations. They have a real chance of talking the bill out in the Lords before the earliest opportunity to prorogue Parliament presents itself on Monday morning…
UPDATE: 17 more amendments have have come in now, taking the total up to 102. Each must be voted on twice. We’re looking at more than 100 hours of continuous debate…
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Guido can today reveal that pro-Governemnt forces in the House of Lords have a comprehensive, co-ordinated plan to prevent Hilary Benn’s anti-No Deal ‘Surrender Bill’ from becoming law, in the likely event it is passed in the Commons this evening.
The Shadow Leader of the Lords yesterday proposed a Business Motion to change the conventions of the House of Lords preventing the bill being talked out and forcing it to be taken on Thursday and Friday. The motion includes the imposition of mechanisms such as time limits, alien to House of Lords convention. Pro-Government peers, however, have tabled 86 amendments to the Business Motion, each of which require two votes to be heard and dismissed…
The pro-Government plan will see the very motion intended to ease the passage of the Benn Bill become the roadblock to it being passed. Senior Lords sources inform Guido that the time it will take the upper chamber to hear and vote on each amendment, as its rules compel it to do, would take up continuous 24/7 sitting until Saturday. Only after then could the Remainers’ anti-No Deal Bill be put. The Tories are determined to not see the Prime Minister’s hands bound in these negotiations. They have a real chance of talking the bill out in the Lords before the earliest opportunity to prorogue Parliament presents itself on Monday morning…
UPDATE: 17 more amendments have have come in now, taking the total up to 102. Each must be voted on twice. We’re looking at more than 100 hours of continuous debate…
Brexit: Judge rejects parliament shutdown legal challenge
Lord Doherty: "This is political territory and decision making which cannot be measured against legal standards."
Media captionLord Doherty: "This is political territory and decision making which cannot be measured against legal standards."
A Scottish judge has rejected a bid to have Boris Johnson's plan to shut down parliament ahead of Brexit declared illegal.
The case was brought to the Court of Session in Edinburgh by a cross-party group of 75 parliamentarians, who argued the PM had exceeded his powers.
But Lord Doherty ruled on Wednesday that the issue was for politicians and voters to judge, and not the courts.
He said there had been no contravention of the law by the UK government.
The group of MPs and peers behind the legal challenge, who are headed by SNP MP Joanna Cherry and Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, will have their appeal against the ruling heard by three Inner House judges on Thursday
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Lord Doherty: "This is political territory and decision making which cannot be measured against legal standards."
Media captionLord Doherty: "This is political territory and decision making which cannot be measured against legal standards."
A Scottish judge has rejected a bid to have Boris Johnson's plan to shut down parliament ahead of Brexit declared illegal.
The case was brought to the Court of Session in Edinburgh by a cross-party group of 75 parliamentarians, who argued the PM had exceeded his powers.
But Lord Doherty ruled on Wednesday that the issue was for politicians and voters to judge, and not the courts.
He said there had been no contravention of the law by the UK government.
The group of MPs and peers behind the legal challenge, who are headed by SNP MP Joanna Cherry and Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, will have their appeal against the ruling heard by three Inner House judges on Thursday