Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
GoldhawkRoad said:
The alternative is no deal, where there's nothing to backstop. The UK won't put up a hard border in that event.
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Excellent news - no hard border. Assuming Ireland don't put up a hard border either, we've got an open border to the whole of Europe.

All migrants welcome in to the UK via Dublin, all customs welcome too. No checks. Truly the Brexit dream that 17.4m voted for.
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Excellent news - no hard border. Assuming Ireland don't put up a hard border either, we've got an open border to the whole of Europe.

All migrants welcome in to the UK via Dublin, all customs welcome too. No checks. Truly the Brexit dream that 17.4m voted for.
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Ireland isn't in Schengen. They protect their border. EU Nats coming in via Dublin are the same as by London. If they want to work, they will need permits
 
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sb_73 said:
Irrelevant. We are not joining Norway’s club, we would be negotiating a deal which is similar (but probably better, we have more clout) to Norway’s. No way is the EU going to say ‘you can’t have a deal like Norway’s, because it might upset the Norwegians’. If those big blond ****ers don’t like it, bad luck, go play with your sovereign wealth fund.
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Yes this is the Canada plus plus idea
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
It's been reported numerous times in the UK media
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Oh, yeah!? What I have read in Norwegian media has been various politicians quoted uttering welcoming words about the possibility of UK remaining in the EEA, and joining EFTA. Some wouldn't be happy with a temporary arrangement and some were concerned the UK would want to change everything, but overall the reaction seemed pretty positive. But I really doubt that Norwegian government has said, "Norway don't want us", because the UK government haven't proposed it, as yet at least.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
Yes this is the Canada plus plus idea
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But we will be going for the Turkey plus idea, a Customs Agreement. If the government and Labour can agree.

But most likely we will **** around for six months, spend £130m on EU elections to send a bunch of people who hate the EU to Brussels, still not reach any kind of consensus and get kicked out as a bunch of feckless time wasters.

Bring it on, I’ve had enough.
 
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QPR Oslo said:
Oh, yeah!? What I have read in Norwegian media has been various politicians quoted uttering welcoming words about the possibility of UK remaining in the EEA, and joining EFTA. Some wouldn't be happy with a temporary arrangement and some were concerned the UK would want to change everything, but overall the reaction seemed pretty positive. But I really doubt that Norwegian government has said, "Norway don't want us", because the UK government haven't proposed it, as yet at least.
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Google - Brexit Norwegians don't want the UK. Plenty of material
 
sb_73 said:
But we will be going for the Turkey plus idea, a Customs Agreement. If the government and Labour can agree.

But most likely we will **** around for six months, spend £130m on EU elections to send a bunch of people who hate the EU to Brussels, still not reach any kind of consensus and get kicked out as a bunch of feckless time wasters.

Bring it on, I’ve had enough.
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I think your analysis is pretty good. Bear in mind, the EU Parl elections may bring in big dissent from other members. And, yes, from the UK. New EU leaders with this trouble may want to get Brexit out of the way. A CU that doesn't restrict deals with other nations may do it
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
I think your analysis is pretty good. Bear in mind, the EU Parl elections may bring in big dissent from other members. And, yes, from the UK. New EU leaders with this trouble may want to get Brexit out of the way. A CU that doesn't restrict deals with other nations may do it
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That’s a logical impossibility Goldie, in the same way that no border with Ireland with no Customs Union is. Although at least with the latter the Customs Union could be restricted to NI.

Been quite a big miss from our negotiators and red line writers not to spot this this basic bit of rationality.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
I think your analysis is pretty good. Bear in mind, the EU Parl elections may bring in big dissent from other members. And, yes, from the UK. New EU leaders with this trouble may want to get Brexit out of the way. A CU that doesn't restrict deals with other nations may do it
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Nancy Pelosi has said that there can be no UK-US free trade deal if the Good Friday Agreement is endangered.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
Only the EU can endanger it. And if push came to shove, a technical solution to legal movement of goods would be found or better terms for a CU offered.
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How can better CU terms be offered? Surely the point is that if we are in a CU we would have to have the same tariffs and standards?
 
sb_73 said:
That’s a logical impossibility Goldie, in the same way that no border with Ireland with no Customs Union is. Although at least with the latter the Customs Union could be restricted to NI.

Been quite a big miss from our negotiators and red line writers not to spot this this basic bit of rationality.
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Are you saying it is impossible to stay in the CU and yet have EU consent to do bi-laterals with other countries?
 
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