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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Inept, making bad choices etc I don't have an issue with really. In many cases I'd agree! It's the 'self serving' / 'traitor' element - where we are questioning motives - I have more doubts about.

Point I'm (probably unclearly) making is that it's not the type of lifestyle/career that is all roses and there are some very serious downsides, and that while many may be inept, most are well intentioned - even the ones one vehemently disagrees with.

Perhaps one we won't agree on however. Suspect I'm in a very small minority on this one!
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I get your point and agree that they don't deserve any of the extreme crap some of them get. I thought I'd said that.

I said treacherous because the two main parties stood on manifestos of leaving the EU and have gone back on it.
May and many others said that no deal was better than a bad deal and both main parties said that they would honour the result of the referendum.
They all lied.
I disagree that "most" are well intentioned and believe that most aren't.

Anyway, we're going round in circles again.

I would just add that if they didn't behave like treacherous, self serving, lying twats completely out of touch with the people who voted for them, they may get a tad more respect.
 
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rangercol said:
I get your point and agree that they don't deserve any of the extreme crap some of them get. I thought I'd said that.

I said treacherous because the two main parties stood on manifestos of leaving the EU and have gone back on it.
May and many others said that no deal was better than a bad deal and both main parties said that they would honour the result of the referendum.
They all lied.
I disagree that "most" are well intentioned and believe that most aren't.

Anyway, we're going round in circles again.
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We will leave the EU, Col. Both parties will have honoured the result of the referendum.
 
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"...............….May and many others said that no deal was better than a bad deal and both main parties said that they would honour the result of the referendum.
They all lied...………….."
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Possibly. It could also be that she was as taken in by the lies as others were and now knows the facts much better. In other words she made a mistake - her biggest one of all
 
rangercol said:
I get your point and agree that they don't deserve any of the extreme crap some of them get. I thought I'd said that.

I said treacherous because the two main parties stood on manifestos of leaving the EU and have gone back on it.
May and many others said that no deal was better than a bad deal and both main parties said that they would honour the result of the referendum.
They all lied.
I disagree that "most" are well intentioned and believe that most aren't.

Anyway, we're going round in circles again.

I would just add that if they didn't behave like treacherous, self serving, lying twats completely out of touch with the people who voted for them, they may get a tad more respect.
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Not one we will ever agree on - have a good evening
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Very small - as I said above, I'm in a very small minority.

I'd be interested to also know the number of MPs an average person could actually name, unprompted, in an hour.
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I don’t think that the majority are ill intentioned, but lots are blinkered, dogmatic and not very bright. Plus they have chosen a job, which I assume many rely on to pay the mortgage, which has built in job insecurity and split loyalties - to constituents and party - which I think encourages the herd instinct and group think.

I’m struggling to think of a more miserable way to spend an hour than trying to remember the names of MPs.
 
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sb_73 said:
I don’t think that the majority are I’ll intentioned, but lots are blinkered, dogmatic and not very bright. Plus they have chosen a job, which I assume many rely on to pay the mortgage, which has built in job insecurity and split loyalties - to constituents and party - which I think encourages the herd instinct and group think.

I’m struggling to think of a more miserable way to spend an hour than trying to remember the names of MPs.
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I broadly agree with the first paragraph.

As for the second, weren't you at Rotherham or Bolton? :-(
 
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After May’s latest letter to the EU I imagine there are 27 national leaders grinding their teeth and banging their heads against a wall. They have spent nearly 3 years negotiating with someone who has zero ability to deliver on her end of the deal and is now wandering around like a decapitated chook. I’m guessing it’s only the Irish stuff which is stopping them pulling the plug and kicking us out, stop wasting time and oxygen on it.
 
sb_73 said:
After May’s latest letter to the EU I imagine there are 27 national leaders grinding their teeth and banging their heads against a wall. They have spent nearly 3 years negotiating with someone who has zero ability to deliver on her end of the deal and is now wandering around like a decapitated chook. I’m guessing it’s only the Irish stuff which is stopping them pulling the plug and kicking us out, stop wasting time and oxygen on it.
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Yes and No. Now that we've reached this point it seems that they've decided to put us on the back burner by offering us 12 months instead probably with a clear indication not to bother coming back sooner unless a deal has been agreed in Parliament first with the proviso that we will take part in the elections but not be a nuisance on Euro legislation who has to be made to sit on the naughty step every time. What's not to like? If the current deal unravels, it can only get better from their point of view. In the meantime we continue to pay our way, purely as an incentive to get our act together. If by some miracle we can sort it all out by May 12, we can bugger off then - straight into our two year transitional period to finalise the terms of the trade deal.

No doubt the brave Brexiteer leaders (who have been anything but brave) can all puff themselves up again with pride and indignation at that point and irritate the life out of everybody else by refusing to agree it on principle until 11.59 pm of the day before whatever day the final extension of the transitional period may be! As that irritating little runt Liam Fox said agreeing the trade deal will be a piece of cake - he forgot to add that we were in his safe and capable hands.

The sheer stupidity/irony of it all is twofold.

1 We know precisely why she announced she would speak to the 'leader of the opposition' (in order to shift some of the blame to him) when it would have been much simpler to say she would speak to the leaders of all the Parliamentary opposition or that she would seek a national consensus on the way forward to secure Brexit sooner rather than later. But then, it wouldn't be our Theresa to get it right for once. Her party ranging from Rees Mogg to her less than impressive back benchers would not then have had something to get worked up about when talking about surrendering this country's future to a Marxist. Corbyn is after all a committed Brexiteer but is constrained by the need to keep the moderates in his party onside and by the realistic assessment that to preserve and enhance employment rights for all workers the jobs have to be protected by looking after the interests of employers who are spooked by the potential consequences of No deal.

2 As things stand it seems that it will be Eurosceptics who will veto any deal that the government agrees with Labour or as dictated by the House of Commons. They would be extremely foolish to do so because they then risk the wrath of the public by delaying this for years potentially and wouldn't be able to get rid of May for a while yet. If I recall correctly rules introduced after the ousting of Margaret Thatcher prevent a rerunning of an internal VONC for at least a year after the last one and she has already stated she will not resign until she has completed the Withdrawal Agreement. The more they insult and belittle her the more determined she will become to scupper any prospects they may have to reign happily ever after her. She is a stubborn mule after all.
 
Stroller said:
So May is unwilling to compromise at all it seems. Corbyn should tell her to **** off and sort her own mess out.
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Part of the act I think to show the world she tried everything in just a matter of days public opinion could swing to see exactly how hopeless the situation really is ... revoke the bloody thing and have another bash in a few years
 
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Good news....do they have any similar initiatives down in England?

Every school pupil in Scotland to be taught CPR
  • 5 April
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Children have been learning CPR using dummies

Every school pupil in Scotland is to be taught vital life-saving skills in a bid to cut the death toll among people who suffer a cardiac arrest.

About 50,000 young people will receive the training each year which it is hoped could save thousands of lives.

The British Heart Foundation had launched a campaign in 2018, urging local councils to work with them.

Moray, Falkirk and Fife councils have now pledged to join the 29 other local authorities already signed up.

It is thought about 3,500 people a year in Scotland suffer a cardiac arrest away from hospital.

Only about one in 12 of them survive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47826277
 
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Steelmonkey said:
Good news....do they have any similar initiatives down in England?

Every school pupil in Scotland to be taught CPR
  • 5 April
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Children have been learning CPR using dummies

Every school pupil in Scotland is to be taught vital life-saving skills in a bid to cut the death toll among people who suffer a cardiac arrest.

About 50,000 young people will receive the training each year which it is hoped could save thousands of lives.

The British Heart Foundation had launched a campaign in 2018, urging local councils to work with them.

Moray, Falkirk and Fife councils have now pledged to join the 29 other local authorities already signed up.

It is thought about 3,500 people a year in Scotland suffer a cardiac arrest away from hospital.

Only about one in 12 of them survive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47826277
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We are CPR say we are CPR
 
Steelmonkey said:
Good news....do they have any similar initiatives down in England?

Every school pupil in Scotland to be taught CPR
  • 5 April
You must log in or register to see images

Children have been learning CPR using dummies

Every school pupil in Scotland is to be taught vital life-saving skills in a bid to cut the death toll among people who suffer a cardiac arrest.

About 50,000 young people will receive the training each year which it is hoped could save thousands of lives.

The British Heart Foundation had launched a campaign in 2018, urging local councils to work with them.

Moray, Falkirk and Fife councils have now pledged to join the 29 other local authorities already signed up.

It is thought about 3,500 people a year in Scotland suffer a cardiac arrest away from hospital.

Only about one in 12 of them survive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47826277
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I think I heard somewhere that we do, in some places anyway. In some US airports they have those test dummies for people to practice on, wired up somehow to tell you if you are doing it right. Like all skills lack of use means you forget, so it’s good to have refreshers sometimes.
 
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Hammond says that the Government is prepared to compromise and has no red lines in discussions with Labour. Perhaps he should tell May, or better still take over from her.
 
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