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I don't see it that way because they would have a full manifesto, but have zero chance to implement it because they would be a minority party. As a Labour voter, you may say that it might be too far to the right for you and even possibly go into a coalition with the Tories (more likely than Labour). But I sense a Brexit Party would take a lot of Labour working class votes up North if we don't leave the EU.
I agree with Col. The fact that the EU have to act expeditiously if sufficient progress on a ft agreement has not been made after a year is some comfort. May's deal is a stepping stone to what we want. Depends now on the DUP
I have a funny feeling that she is going to get it through, as the ERG and DUP recognise that we are getting close to a no Brexit scenario, or at best a hugely delayed Brexit. And if you look at the content of the deal it really isn’t that bad from a Brexiter perspective, just the backstop, which if they do the next bit well would never come into play anyway, that’s a serious issue. If she gets it through, resigns and a more explicit Brexiter gets to take over as PM to do the future relationship stuff, surely that’s a win for them? And doesn’t it avert the stuff that Ellers and Goldie are talking about? Plus put Labour on the back foot.
I’d be delighted, I’m sick to death of the whole ****ing thing.
It's an irony that with the UK arguing with itself and the EU boasting of perfect accord, now that we're in a right fix and need an extension, our request could lead a huge disagreement between the member countries on the length of extension or whether one should be granted at all
Agree leave voting MP's would be pretty safe, so many Tory/Labour MP's will be okay... It's the remain MP's in leave constituancies that will get hammered. The would work with Leave Tories and DUP. People seem to forget it was 130? Labour leave seats where the MP's have been betrayed them and many Tory ones as well.
Both slightly unsure then. The thing is, if she fails again and there's a long delay (or possibly something worse from your perspective), the extremists in the ERG will be to blame won't they?
Is that a don't know?
You forgot one problem with this... The amendment today is to say she can't bring it back unless there are changes...by next week? No time.
Not from my perspective. They want a good deal or if impossible, WTO. That's where I have been. A huge Remainer presence in the Commons has frustrated this. Many Labour MP's want to stop Brexit altogether
Agree, it is very sad how badly the MP's have let us down. They will all go for a long extension as it makes sense. They will probably say part of the conditions are not having any MEP's and demand loads of money and this weak house will say "how much, is that enough'?
The huge Remainer presence wouldn't have been able to frustrate the process if the ERG had backed May. It would have been done by now.
Possibly, although Tory Remainers may have tipped the balance against May. If Parliament had rejected May and gone for WTO, I'm convinced we would have got a better offer from the EU at the last minute. As it is, Parliament has been weak and we're in a hell of a mess that may last many years
Surely ‘real’ leave MPs would have to look at their respective parties’ manifestos before they could decide whether to stand on that platform? Could be that both Tories and Labour campaign on a stay in the Customs Union pledge. Wouldn’t you expect Rees Mogg (and Kate Hoey etc) et al to jump ship at that point? Or if he or someone like him has seized control of the Tories, and they have an ERG inspired Brexit as policy, wouldn’t that make a Brexit Party redundant? Possibly not, if it had the full populist manifesto. I’m thinking while typing, probably not thought through enough.
You could very well be correct, and a good few of those who you mention might vote for a Brexit Party.....and maybe rightly so if they have a full manifesto......I just can’t see it happening.
Yeah probably might be a bit too far right for me.....think I’ll just abstain from voting completely from now on...as Col says..they are ALL a bunch of ****s.
If the Green Patty can get a manifesto together, a Brexit Party, which may include a number of currently standing MP's, should have no difficulty