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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
ELLERS said:
One of the chaps on the radio last night (who is a remainer and wants another vote) said it is very very unlikely that they will get it. He said not enough MP's in parliament want one but more importantly, he reckons to organise it fairly you would need at least a year to sort it...anything less would not be acceptable.
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It may take that long to turn a few more and educate/persuade the sheep that the farmers were in control all along
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
They may make it conditional, as you say, although they probably want to stay out of the UK's domestic politics, so would prefer this to come from the UK Parliament.

At the very least, the EU want to avoid a no deal, so may grant an unconditional delay if pressed hard before March 29. My guess at the moment is 2 months, so we don't participate in the EU elections
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You are right, they do want to avoid a no-deal as it will hurt them a lot too. They do also want this resolved so that they can get on with fixing the eurozone, which at the moment they can't do as it sends out the wrong message, though the ECB was forced to do something last week. For the EU/eurozone the longer this goes on the stronger, sharper and longer the impending economic contraction will be. This should be where the UK's leverage is, but our politican's have been inept, thinking that they are dealing with friend's that have the UK's best interest's at heart.
 
RichardRanger said:
You are right, they do want to avoid a no-deal as it will hurt them a lot too. They do also want this resolved so that they can get on with fixing the eurozone, which at the moment they can't do as it sends out the wrong message, though the ECB was forced to do something last week. For the EU/eurozone the longer this goes on the stronger, sharper and longer the impending economic contraction will be. This should be where the UK's leverage is, but our politican's have been inept, thinking that they are dealing with friend's that have the UK's best interest's at heart.
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Absolutely agree. These have always been hostile negotiations, and the EU have treated them as such. Theresa May and her advisors have taken the approach that the EU might do the UK a favour. It was never going to do so. If May fails tonight, she surely must step down as PM, hopefully replaced by someone that has the same steel and determination that (hate to say it) Barnier has shown.
 
Cox is saying in Parliament that a new provision in the Withdrawal agreement makes it an obligation for parties to push forward the Free Trade Agreement within 12 months of the signing of the Withdrawal Agreement. Thereafter, time is of the essence that will make breach of good faith easier to prove if the EU stalls further...

...thin gruel
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Cox is saying in Parliament that a new provision in the Withdrawal agreement makes it an obligation for parties to push forward the Free Trade Agreement within 12 months of the signing of the Withdrawal Agreement. Thereafter, time is of the essence that will make breach of good faith easier to prove if the EU stalls further...

...thin gruel
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This is as convincing as Cameron's 're-negotiation' prior to the referendum.
 
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Estimated that half the Tories who voted against the deal last time will vote for it tonight. If a similar number of Labour moderates break ranks could be close, but May will doubtless still lose. However, if it’s closer she might be tempted to come back again (and again) in another game of chicken, until 29 March.

It’s a shame that Corbyn is a hard core Brexiter. Big opportunity to support the Govt, split the Tories hugely and go all out for an election, campaign on remaining in the Single Market and/or Customs Union, but getting out of the political institutions. The soft Brexit dividend might even balance out the anti left market backlash if they won a majority.

What a hoot this all is.
 
Jezza really does make me laugh. He is not a statesman and definitely not PM material. He is hopeless.
 
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ELLERS said:
Jezza really does make me laugh. He is not a statesman and definitely not PM material. He is hopeless.
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I'm thinking - two month extension from EU - quick leadership change in Tories (has to be to a Brexit supporter) - and a general election.

Is there enough time for all that? I don't know

alternately May gets a close Lose tonight and works on ERG/ DUP for another go in Parliament before March 29
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
alternately May gets a close Lose tonight and works on ERG/ DUP for another go in Parliament before March 29
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How does this differ from the argument against having a 2nd Referendum? She had one vote which she lost heavily. She's about to have a 2nd vote, which she is looking likely to loose. How does having a 3rd vote work where little to nothing has materially changed from the first which produced the heaviest Gov't defeat in history? One thing May seems to have learnt from our EU friends in her, ahem, negotiations, is that you get them to vote enough times and you get the outcome you want.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
I'm thinking - two month extension from EU - quick leadership change in Tories (has to be to a Brexit supporter) - and a general election.

Is there enough time for all that? I don't know
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Agree, as I said the other day the MP's may vote against a 'no deal' but an extension means changing laws and it will not happen. Euro elections coming up as well are major problems with an extension. I really can't see it.
Interesting what May said... No deal is not her choice but after a hit 'we will prosper' and that threat to MP's of 'being answerable to their electorate'. She is on her last legs.
If she loses I agree it will be either a no deal or GE. The good thing about a GE is that we can get rid of the Boles/cooper/Soubry/Grieve and co.
 
sb_73 said:
We had a detective who wasn’t visibly injured, apart from his obesity, but was obviously looking forward to retirement, looking into the case of the bitten ear. He has emailed this week to ask my son to describe the events of early December last year when he was pissed and/or off his head on something and got jumped in the dark, for the fourth time. He’s given 3 signed statements taking several hours of repetitive questioning already. As if he’s going to remember anything different. This time it’s to see which bits of the clothing they have had for months they should test for possible DNA evidence. With the threat that if the lad doesn’t respond they will close the file.

I’d like my son to get some justice, but I’m more concerned that some twat who thinks biting people’s ears off is acceptable is free to do it again. The police obviously aren’t. They have done **** all in 3 months apart from a passing glance at CCTV footage.

The police are definitely and definitively under staffed, but when some of them are as idle and incompetent as Detective A...G.... (Name supplied on request) they will struggle to get my support. But at least I know what elected Police Commissioners are for now, receiving my pithy, concise and direct comments on the capability of their forces.

Bring back Morse and Dixon of Dock Green.

Evenin’ All.
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When i was mugged of my phone and reported the crime i wasnt expecting much. The detective was great but the Bobby on the beats 2 of them) were useless. When i went into give a detailed description the detective had to amend the statements those two wrote up as it was littered with mistakes from the roads i walked on to the location i was mugged. I bet the ****ers didn't even go through the cctv which I'm sure there was as i was on one of those new build developments with concierge for multiple buildings.

Obviously not all coppers but i wasnt impressed by then 2
 
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