Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Staines R's]

"Coloured" was and is still a term that upsets a lot of people Yorkshire, it certainly was used mostly in a derogatory racist manner. SB has provided some relevant basic history in his post above. Nothing to do with political correctness or not imo.

Sorry Oslo but I totally disagree with you. Where I was born and brought up, using ‘coloured’ instead of ‘black’ was more polite.

 

[kiwiqpr]

1st of april 2019
chaos on the streets of the uk
last block of french cheese has been sold

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just looked it up
Shrovetide Ball Game[edit]
Main article: Atherstone Ball Game

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The ball played in the 813th Atherstone Ball game Shrove Tuesday 21 February 2012.
An annual tradition in Atherstone is the Shrove Tuesday Ball Game played on a public highway with large crowds. The game celebrated its 800th anniversary in 1999.
The game is a complete free-for-all played along Watling Street (the old Roman road) at the point where it forms the main street of Atherstone town. The ball is decorated with red, white and blue ribbons that are exchanged for money by who ever is able to obtain one and is made of thick leather to make it too heavy to kick far. The match starts at 3:00pm when the ball is thrown from the window of Barclays Bank and continues until about 5:00pm. However the ball may legitimately be deflated or hidden after 4:30pm. There are no teams and no goals, though in the last century the match was played between a team from Warwickshire and one from Leicestershire. There is only one rule: players are not allowed to kill one another. Whoever is able to hang onto the ball at the end of the game not only wins the game but is allowed to keep the ball as well. This Shrove Tuesday ball game has been held annually since the early 12th century and is one of Atherstone's claims to fame.

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The origin of the game, in the reign of King John, is thought to have been a "Match of Gold that was played between the Warwickshire Lads and the Leicestershire Lads on Shrove Tuesday".[10]
The 'ball' used is specially made each year and is 'thrown out' by a prominent sporting or show business personality. Shop windows are boarded-up and traffic is diverted on the afternoon whilst the game, in which hundreds of people take part, progresses along the town's main streets.

 

[Staines R's]

I accept that partly. But the way people react to it today, not 50, or even 15 years ago is a hallmark of modern political correctness. Whether Diane Abbott was genuinely offended or simply making political capital her reaction would have been acceptable in my view if she had not made her remarks and had accepted the apology and its sincerity immediately. But no she had to make a political point of it because it was Amber Rudd and she had said something which was incorrect according to current political behaviour.

The same goes for the use of the abbreviation 'Paki'. It has become known as a term of abuse and in certain quarters it would certainly be frowned upon - parents would tell their children that you should not use that word because it causes offence. ie it is politically incorrect. However I have been involved in cases where witnesses have referred to a Paki or the Paki grocer/waiter because the person is of Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin. In some cases the 'victim' himself has not felt insulted because he understood the word to describe him accurately. At the time I was actually defending a young Pakistani man charged with affray in an Asian restaurant. As part of my case I put to a White diner that he had referred to the waiter as a Paki and suggested to him that this was offensive and liable to incite a violent response from other Asian diners. He told us that there was nothing wrong with calling him a Paki because that is what he was - He had not been offended by it The white diner also looked bemused because he had referred to the waiter as a Paki in his evidence and did not think he was saying anything inaccurate or offensive. Both the waiter and the white diner were credible witnesses telling the truth. My client was convicted in due course because his evidence was not credible an it was reasonably clear to all who heard him that he had been using his race to excuse his own appalling behaviour that night. Fuelled by alcoholic drink which of course, he should not have been consuming as a devout muslim.

Before I condemn someone for using the term today I would want to know the circumstances and that person's reaction when it is pointed out to him / her what he or she has said. To do otherwise is indeed an extreme form of political correctness.

A couple of years back I remember watching an interview with the Australian cricketer Steve Smith after they beat Pakistan.....where he praised his opposition and said ‘you always get a hard game when you play the Pakis’......I no doubt he didn’t mean it as a racial insult and just wanted to shorten the word ‘Pakistanis’......

 

[DT’s Socks]

A couple of years back I remember watching an interview with the Australian cricketer Steve Smith after they beat Pakistan.....where he praised his opposition and said ‘you always get a hard game when you play the Pakis’......I no doubt he didn’t mean it as a racial insult and just wanted to shorten the word ‘Pakistanis’......

Exactly but most would take offence
I take offence when the likes of Ellers etc calls the French cowards
So where do you draw the line ?

****ing Anglo Saxon blue sheep are the worse imo all bleating about **** all

Next week could be interesting on here looking forward to that

 

[kiwiqpr]

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one of those sheep trying to be all continental

 

[DT’s Socks]

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one of those sheep trying to be all continental

Yes he has some flair that one but when still looks like a bleater to me He probably drives a Jaguar
Next week you may see a new level of bleats
Oh what are we going to do now ?
It’s not fair !
Thankfully there only about 3 million of the real stupid ones the rest rest will all fall into order

 

[sb_73]

Sorry Oslo but I totally disagree with you. Where I was born and brought up, using ‘coloured’ instead of ‘black’ was more polite.

But it isn’t now, apparently. Times change, hairstyles change, acceptable descriptions change.

I don’t really get this debate. If you use a term which people with a certain genetic heritage find offensive, simply to describe their genetic heritage, why do it, unless you want to offend them? It might get a bit bewildering for us older gents, but let’s face it us white western blokes don’t really get this discrimination stuff, because we don’t have experience of it. I am 100% certain that had I been born female, gay or black, even in the privileged baby boomer generation with a family which valued education (like I was) my life would have been significantly different to what it has been, and not in a good way. I would have had to work harder to prove myself, be a better version of myself, and some avenues might have been closed off entirely. I’d like us to be in a world where accidents of birth, the things about yourself that you can’t change, are totally irrelevant (except in matters of personal attraction). Then the need for ‘political correctness’ will disappear. In the meantime (and this is a tragically slow process, 200 years at least and counting) perhaps huge sensitivity to diversity issues will hasten the day that we can forget about them. It’s counter intuitive to think that we need to emphasise diversity and identity to be able to bin it, but it’s a small price to pay in my view. And it both amuses me and drives me to despair when white middle aged blokes get wound up about it, indulging in their own little hissy fits of self identity politics because their lazy stereotyping is challenged, and their identity is threatened by that.

None of the above aimed at you Stainsey, I know you, like me, are just trying to work your way through this stuff.

 

[kiwiqpr]

when is this years mopoco awards

 

[Staines R's]

But it isn’t now, apparently. Times change, hairstyles change, acceptable descriptions change.

I don’t really get this debate. If you use a term which people with a certain genetic heritage find offensive, simply to describe their genetic heritage, why do it, unless you want to offend them? It might get a bit bewildering for us older gents, but let’s face it us white western blokes don’t really get this discrimination stuff, because we don’t have experience of it. I am 100% certain that had I been born female, gay or black, even in the privileged baby boomer generation with a family which valued education (like I was) my life would have been significantly different to what it has been, and not in a good way. I would have had to work harder to prove myself, be a better version of myself, and some avenues might have been closed off entirely. I’d like us to be in a world where accidents of birth, the things about yourself that you can’t change, are totally irrelevant (except in matters of personal attraction). Then the need for ‘political correctness’ will disappear. In the meantime (and this is a tragically slow process, 200 years at least and counting) perhaps huge sensitivity to diversity issues will hasten the day that we can forget about them. It’s counter intuitive to think that we need to emphasise diversity and identity to be able to bin it, but it’s a small price to pay in my view. And it both amuses me and drives me to despair when white middle aged blokes get wound up about it, indulging in their own little hissy fits of self identity politics because their lazy stereotyping is challenged, and their identity is threatened by that.

None of the above aimed at you Stainsey, I know you, like me, are just trying to work your way through this stuff.

Mate, no offence taken and you could be right.
Me personally I find this ‘debate’ or discussion a tad more interesting than the usual bollox in here about Brexit that just gets boring and repetitive.

 

[sb_73]

Mate, no offence taken and you could be right.
Me personally I find this ‘debate’ or discussion a tad more interesting than the usual bollox in here about Brexit that just gets boring and repetitive.

It is more interesting than the Brexit bollocks. And none of what I said above applies to people who take offence to criticism of what they believe, be it religious, political or whatever. That’s fair game and mockery, insults etc absolutely fine in my book. I respect anybody’s right to believe whatever they believe, but I certainly don’t respect the beliefs themselves. Hard left Brexit voters for example, bunch of ****ers.

 

[Stroller]

It is more interesting than the Brexit bollocks. And none of what I said above applies to people who take offence to criticism of what they believe, be it religious, political or whatever. That’s fair game and mockery, insults etc absolutely fine in my book. I respect anybody’s right to believe whatever they believe, but I certainly don’t respect the beliefs themselves. Hard left Brexit voters for example, bunch of ****ers.

Never mind Brexit, I've just been robbed of five months on this planet. Life expectancy in the UK for a 65 year-old male (I'm 65 in May) has fallen from 87.4 to 86.9 years. Whilst I'm encouraged to read that I may have another 22-odd years, it's disconcerting to see it reducing so.

 

[ELLERS]

How do you know Will Self Ellers? A very difficult man to have a conversation with I’d imagine.
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Do you remember when certain muppets on here (yes muppets) knocked my degree. Well I had to do a talk at a uni on a certain subject which (I know quite a lot about)... Well, Mr self was present, after I had a chat with him over a beer. He enjoyed my talk and I sat in on a few of his lectures. He knows his stuff but whenever I have seen him on QT or today, he always comes across as a twat. That death stare at Francois was funny. TBH I don't know how Mark didn't punch him? I could never be a politician as I would have punched him out. Funny thing is, I actually like him his academic life.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Never mind Brexit, I've just been robbed of five months on this planet. Life expectancy in the UK for a 65 year-old male (I'm 65 in May) has fallen from 87.4 to 86.9 years. Whilst I'm encouraged to read that I may have another 22-odd years, it's disconcerting to see it reducing so.

Don't worry too much strolls
That will be the life expectancy for someone born today
Not sure why it's going down though

 

[ELLERS]

Sorry Oslo but I totally disagree with you. Where I was born and brought up, using ‘coloured’ instead of ‘black’ was more polite.

May I add that I went to school in 70's-80's and when I said 'black man' I was told off by my teacher and was told to say 'coloured person'. They drummed that into me and then in later years I was told that word was out and 'Black' was the correct word. I can understand how people can make a mistake. maybe in 10 years there will be another word that I will need to learn?

 

[QPR Oslo]

Sorry Oslo but I totally disagree with you. Where I was born and brought up, using ‘coloured’ instead of ‘black’ was more polite.

Maybe it seemed polite to you and maybe your white friends, but try asking some of your middle aged black colleagues how they like or liked being called coloured.

My experience from my black family, and friends was they wanted it (want it) straight, they are black, not green, yellow or red, thats only their threads! In England, with black wife, family and friends for many years, for them being called coloured sounded to them and me, 2 faced, "snidy, slimy, polite' to your face, but would likely go to that f***** n***** as soon as they get round the corner. The way these words are said makes all the difference of a course.

It was far more out in the open in the States, the Blacks I worked with there callled the Whites Whitey, the other Blacks f****** ****** or Bro, the Mexicans Mekks, the Whites called the Blacks, ******s, Mexicans Mex, and I got called Niles cos I said pass the nails the wrong way for the Sceptics! But this was all friendly, just a laugh, and we all often went off drinking together after work, and they told each other tales of how they used to hunt each other back home n the bad old days. Not good but at least out in the Open, not hiding behind that Coloured false politeness sh*te.

Here in Thailand people are from all over and it is so good not to hear any of this sh*t, but talking to black friends in Oslo just this winter who come from Jamaica/England, made it clear to me that they are still getting racist abuse, treatment still sadly daily today.

 

[Stroller]

Don't worry too much strolls
That will be the life expectancy for someone born today
Not sure why it's going down though

I think life expectancy for someone born today would be about 81. Mine is higher because I've already made it through 65 years without pegging.

Why it's going down is the real question. My bet is Tory austerity and underfunding the NHS.

 

[ELLERS]

Another 'stare off'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...t-will-self-and-mark-francois-in-tv-stare-off

 

[sb_73]

Do you remember when certain muppets on here (yes muppets) knocked my degree. Well I had to do a talk at a uni on a certain subject which (I know quite a lot about)... Well, Mr self was present, after I had a chat with him over a beer. He enjoyed my talk and I sat in on a few of his lectures. He knows his stuff but whenever I have seen him on QT or today, he always comes across as a twat. That death stare at Francois was funny. TBH I don't know how Mark didn't punch him? I could never be a politician as I would have punched him out Funny thing is, I actually like him his academic life.

Brunel Uni then? I suspect he teaches because he has alimony to pay and has moaned that the income from royalties has plummeted. Good to hear he takes it seriously, but then as we know and as he has admitted he likes the sound of his own voice. Have you read any of his novels? My Idea of Fun is an arresting read and the Book of Dave is very good when you get used to the style. He was good playing the fool in Vic and Bobs Shooting Stars as well.

May I add that I went to school in 70's-80's and when I said 'black man' I was told off by my teacher and was told to say 'coloured person'. They drummed that into me and then in later years I was told that word was out and 'Black' was the correct word. I can understand how people can make a mistake. maybe in 10 years there will be another word that I will need to learn?

I’m sure you can manage that. Learning a new word and the habit of using it in certain situations seems pretty easy to avoid pissing people off unnecessarily.

 

[ELLERS]

Brunel Uni then? I suspect he teaches because he has alimony to pay and has moaned that the income from royalties has plummeted. .

Bloody hell DCI sb! He his not as scary as he was on TV. I actually laughed when I saw him staring at MF. Seriously it was like watching a different fella today. He is a clever chap but I do know that he likes to wind up people. I think it was a good set up by the BBC; putting them next to each other. Today was a bit of fun for him. As Goldie said, he has many complaints about the EU and I don't believe he is a fan. It's all just television and the fact that we are discussing it means it worked.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

A couple of years back I remember watching an interview with the Australian cricketer Steve Smith after they beat Pakistan.....where he praised his opposition and said ‘you always get a hard game when you play the Pakis’......I no doubt he didn’t mean it as a racial insult and just wanted to shorten the word ‘Pakistanis’......

Exactly like an Aussie is Australian. It's far too long winded to refer to them as cheating whingeing ex-convicts with massive superiority complexes when it comes to sport but tiny cocks every time you want to speak about a group of them. If you can't abbreviate it think of something you associate them with, French frogs, German krauts, our very own Kiwi. So why the **** are the English known as poms? Over to our nightwalkers from south of the Equator to explain the connection.