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[ELLERS]

Whatever the state of the Labour party, this is a Tory mess and I wouldn't blame them for leaving them to royally **** it up and a **** up it is. My uncle (through the mrs) is moving his business in to Germany soon. 28 jobs gone from here. Not massive I know but it will make his distribution so much easier as it's all across mainland Europe.

That's a shame however new business is coming in from all over the World so we lose some we gain some. That's how it has always been.
Labour are playing a dangerous game here and if it does go tits up some of their supporters will never forgive them...remember Brexit was won by Labour voters. The Tories where I lived voted to remain.

 

[bobmid]

That's a shame however new business is coming in from all over the World so we lose some we gain some. That's how it has always been.
Labour are playing a dangerous game here and if it does go tits up some of their supporters will never forgive them...remember Brexit was won by Labour voters. The Tories where I lived voted to remain.

A massive shame. He's in some sort of music/speaker stand business. The Tories won it in my area Labour was mainly remain

 

[Stroller]

Not really because more tories will accept her Chequers deal. There are only about 40-50 Tories that will vote it down.

Yes, of course. That group of 40 or 50 will be exceedingly pissed off, though. Good.

 

[ELLERS]

Theresa May has twice refused to say she "believes in Brexit " after being grilled in a cringeworthy BBC Panorama interview.
The Prime Minister was quizzed for half an hour over her Brexit plans by presenter Nick Robinson - slamming Boris Johnson and insisting it was her deal or no deal.

 

[bobmid]

Theresa May has twice refused to say she "believes in Brexit " after being grilled in a cringeworthy BBC Panorama interview.
The Prime Minister was quizzed for half an hour over her Brexit plans by presenter Nick Robinson - slamming Boris Johnson and insisting it was her deal or no deal.

She was a remainer wasn't she? Or have I got that wrong? She's the PM though. It really is a sorry state of affairs whichever way you look at it

 

[ELLERS]

Yes, of course. That group of 40 or 50 will be exceedingly pissed off, though. Good.

The thing is Stroller whether people voted in or out we need to get the best deal and that Chequers rubbish basically keeps us in without a say, so what was the point?
She has cocked it up and needs to go. We need a strong leader and we need a free trade deal without all the crap of Chequers.

 

[bobmid]

I personally think a no deal would be terrible ( just my opinion). The chequers is a major watered down version of being in the EU. What really is the point of all this. I don't believe that anyone, whether leave or remain voted for this, so we are all getting screwed.

 

[ELLERS]

She was a remainer wasn't she? Or have I got that wrong? She's the PM though. It really is a sorry state of affairs whichever way you look at it

She was a remainer and every time she gets asked the question "Do you believe in Brexit"? She never answers. How can she be in command when she doesn't believe in it?
On another note regarding your Uncle and moving to Germany. I guess he knows about the taxes and how they are still having to pay for East Germany? My mate works for a German company out there.

 

[ELLERS]

I personally think a no deal would be terrible ( just my opinion). The chequers is a major watered down version of being in the EU. What really is the point of all this. I don't believe that anyone, whether leave or remain voted for this, so we are all getting screwed.

In the end a cool head will sort something.

 

[bobmid]

She was a remainer and every time she gets asked the question "Do you believe in Brexit"? She never answers. How can she be in command when she doesn't believe in it?
On another note regarding your Uncle and moving to Germany. I guess he knows about the taxes and how they are still having to pay for East Germany? My mate works for a German company out there.

I presume he does. He lived there for around 5 years after studying languages at uni and his wife is German.

 

[ELLERS]

I presume he does. He lived there for around 5 years after studying languages at uni and his wife is German.

Yeah my mate said he pays taxes which are basically payments for the reunification.

 

[Stroller]

The thing is Stroller whether people voted in or out we need to get the best deal and that Chequers rubbish basically keeps us in without a say, so what was the point?
She has cocked it up and needs to go. We need a strong leader and we need a free trade deal without all the crap of Chequers.

Well, there was no point in my opinion, but it seems we have to plough on with the whole fiasco. If Chequers is the least damaging outcome (and it pisses off the Brextremists), then I hope May wins out. A bad deal is better than no deal.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

She was a remainer and every time she gets asked the question "Do you believe in Brexit"? She never answers. How can she be in command when she doesn't believe in it?
On another note regarding your Uncle and moving to Germany. I guess he knows about the taxes and how they are still having to pay for East Germany? My mate works for a German company out there.

I believe it was democracy in which she won by a landslide (well perhaps not but she was heading for a damn sight more than 52-48) while of the 3 Brexiteers, one was a laughing stock, one stabbed the other in the back and the third flounced off. Now you want a re-run till you get the result you want. Now where I have heard that before?.

 

[sb_73]

Seems quite a reasonable approach to me. If they leave it to the Tories, it will fail - because of the Tories.

Let me work that through.

The Labour Party, supports a Brexit but staying in the Single Market - I think, but I might be wrong. Or is it just the Customs Union?

The official Tory position is Chequers, which no one from any party likes except the Cabinet.

It’s looking increasingly likely that there will be an agreement with the EU, based on Chequers but probably with more concessions.

This deal, which no one likes, will be voted on in Parliament. To abstain en masse on that vote seems to be a dereliction of duty - the Labour MPs should be representing their constituents, either they reluctantly think having any kind of agreement is better than none or they are prepared to go for a no deal unplanned Brexit, presumably in the hope of forcing an election and then going back to the EU. Abstaining is essentially the same as voting for, as Ellers says there will probably be enough Tories who follow the whip.

It’s a pretty transparent way of trying to dodge responsibility on the biggest issue for decades and the electorate will see through it. Which is why I think Corbyn will announce Labour support for a referendum on the deal at the party conference. He doesn’t want one, but Momentum and the unions do.

 

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[ELLERS]

I believe it was democracy in which she won by a landslide (well perhaps not but she was heading for a damn sight more than 52-48) while of the 3 Brexiteers, one was a laughing stock, one stabbed the other in the back and the third flounced off. Now you want a re-run till you get the result you want. Now where I have heard that before?.

I like the way you try and twist that. She did not win a landslide and she has failed at her job so she should go. The country voted in the biggest ever democratic vote and wanted to LEAVE the EU (yes Leave, I know you don't like it, but tough). It never said how we leave it said leave. We have not implemented it yet so stop moan until we leave.
One other point.... it is not 3 Brexitiers but 17M that wants out.

 

[ELLERS]

I have seen it all now...
Just looked at an article saying that 1300+ Brexit voters have died every day since the referendum and by January 21 2019 the remain will have a majority. ..... I don't know how the maths works out but some of these 'remoaners' have too much time on their hands.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I have seen it all now...
Just looked at an article saying that 1300+ Brexit voters have died every day since the referendum and by January 21 2019 the remain will have a majority. ..... I don't know how the maths works out but some of these 'remoaners' have too much time on their hands.

That was done ages ago. It’s not a complicated calculation.

 

[ELLERS]

That was done ages ago. It’s not a complicated calculation.

It must have been a rehashed story then. I don't see how they can work that crap out. Do they turn up at the funerals and ask which way they voted?
Desperate Dans.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

It must have been a rehashed story then. I don't see how they can work that crap out. Do they turn up at the funerals and ask which way they voted?
Desperate Dans.

No it’s just a theoretical, but probably reasonably accurate, and probably based on silly assumptions like no young people dying, but it’s just a bit of fun.

Say Leave won by 1m votes, “the elderly” voted 80% Leave and every day 1000 of them die. Every day 600 more Leave voters are disappearing than Remain so in 1667 days Remain is the majority. I think the one done straight after the referendum took into account teenagers turning 18 and voting the same way as the youngest age group.