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[sb_73]

Thickos that drink
Two million of em
Probably all racist ****ers too
Bet the best selling food item is pork

They are getting pissed cheaper than the remainers
And probably enjoying the journey more

My daughter and her mates drinks in ‘Spoons’ as they call it sometimes, because it’s cheap, they have no taste and match the demographic. And usually because they can’t find another pub in town where one of their mates is working a shift and prepared to give them massive discounts.

The one in Leamington, the Benjamin Satchwell, seems to be a preloading venue for students more than anything else, plus a few old geezers who are presumably deaf. I’ve only been in once, because it was nearly closing time and we didn’t think we could get to a better bar quick enough. I drank my pint very rapidly indeed. It has competition from a few other crappy ‘meal and a drink for a fiver’ places, but thankfully we also have plenty of good pubs and a few absolute belters.

 

[BobbyD]

Bobby you are making yourself sound stupid. As I said it's best to keep quiet. The Russians did it and they have more than enough proof. Ranting about Blair makes you sound like you are some sort of Putin sympathiser.

No it's a reason for why we asked for evidence rrther than velieve the government's agenda.if you can't discern that then you are are a sheepio.

It's like how you won't believe Brexit will be a disaster on the government's say so and rightly so unless they stump up some evidence

 

[ELLERS]

No it's a reason for why we asked for evidence rrther than velieve the government's agenda.if you can't discern that then you are are a sheepio.

It's like how you won't believe Brexit will be a disaster on the government's say so and rightly so unless they stump up some evidence

Oh I see it now. This is now about Brexit! You have managed to mingle 3-4 completely different things in your ridiculous posts to get back to Brexit.
Booby if you look over this post you may notice that you have contradicted yourself (if you can).
Nobody knows what Brexit will bring but if we manage to untie ourselves from that 'non-changing organisation' (forgive the pun) then I will happy.

 

[BobbyD]

Oh I see it now. This is now about Brexit! You have managed to mingle 3-4 completely different things in your ridiculous posts to get back to Brexit.
Booby if you look over this post you may notice that you have contradicted yourself (if you can).
Nobody knows what Brexit will bring but if we manage to untie ourselves from that 'non-changing organisation' (forgive the pun) then I will happy.

Think you are being a clown but that's fine.

For anyone who wants to debate properly:

Iraq - government lied
Russia - government made a statement - I wanted to see some evidence prior to believing Russia did it. Well now they have some I'm inclined to believe them
Brexit - government says it will be disaster - I'm still awaiting substantial evidence for this.

So forgive me if I'm consistent in how I take the word of my government rather than just view things in my Ellers lens of life.

 

[qprbeth]

I am happy to put my hand up. I didn't think we had any proof it was the Russians.

There is nothing magical about making the toxin stuff, and I am sure Porton Down have made some...it is sensible to make it, investigate it, test remedies etc.

I have to say upto Putins intervention of "It wasn't us gov, you got the wrong geyser" I was not convinced that we had any real proof. But the performance of the two suspects.."Our friends told us to go to Salisbury. It is world famous it has a church and the oldest clock", was pathetic.
Especially after the Russians had put doubt in the minds of the people at the UN, with the observation of exactly the same timing on the entry gate at Gatwick for the two suspects, a very unlikely possibility. Why they tried the trick of ...we are "tourists", which was very quickly countered by the CCTV footage of the suspects walking through Salisbury towards the Skipals house and essentially away from the Cathedral....An amateur attempt from the Russians.

I admit I am changing my mind....but still find it hard to believe that the Russians heirachy are quite that inept, but it is beginning to look that they might be.



I am still worried about these photo though. We are told the Novichok was on the front door knob. The first picture shows the door being guarded by police without protective clothing or gloves. The second, the policeman is right against the door (he is wearing proper police man fluffy gloves though). I do not think we know the whole truth, and information is being with held

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[ELLERS]

Think you are being a clown but that's fine.

For anyone who wants to debate properly:

Iraq - government lied
Russia - government made a statement - I wanted to see some evidence prior to believing Russia did it. Well now they have some I'm inclined to believe them
Brexit - government says it will be disaster - I'm still awaiting substantial evidence for this.

So forgive me if I'm consistent in how I take the word of my government rather than just view things in my Ellers lens of life.

Maybe you should have looked at it through 'my lens of life' as you would have worked out it was the Russians. Anyone with half a brain cell could have worked it out, it was not rocket science., or was it?
Now you are still trying to defend it in your own warped way.
As for Iraq plenty on here know my views on Blair and at the time I said it was a fix. So don't go down that road.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Thickos that drink
Two million of em
Probably all racist ****ers too
Bet the best selling food item is pork

They are getting pissed cheaper than the remainers
And probably enjoying the journey more

I like an occasional Spoons sesh too. I didn’t say all the clientele were thick or pro-Brexit. Just on average thicker and more pro.

We’ll all be drinking Victory gin soon anyway.

 

[qprbeth]

Maybe you should have looked at it through 'my lens of life' as you would have worked out it was the Russians. Anyone with half a brain cell could have worked it out, it was not rocket science., or was it?
Now you are still trying to defend it in your own warped way.
As for Iraq plenty on here know my views on Blair and at the time I said it was a fix. So don't go down that road.

Ellers I believe I have half a brain cell...and there were a lot , a huge amount of inconsistencies in the "official" account the poisoning. That may be accounted for by security reasons, we do not know/should not know all the details DURING an investigation. There are problems with the story.

The doorknob at the house.
The timing problems at Gatwick
The tragic death of Dawn Sturgiss, who picked up an unopened bottle of Nicci Ricci perfume from a charity bin months later and had to assemble it. It has a seperate applicator. Sprayed it on herself and died.

It will all come out in time I am sure....but scepticism is a good thing. So is learning to think for yourself, with your own half a brain cell and not believing everything you are told

 

[ELLERS]

I am happy to put my hand up. I didn't think we had any proof it was the Russians.

There is nothing magical about making the toxin stuff, and I am sure Porton Down have made some...it is sensible to make it, investigate it, test remedies etc.

I have to say upto Putins intervention of "It wasn't us gov, you got the wrong geyser" I was not convinced that we had any real proof. But the performance of the two suspects.."Our friends told us to go to Salisbury. It is world famous it has a church and the oldest clock", was pathetic.
Especially after the Russians had put doubt in the minds of the people at the UN, with the observation of exactly the same timing on the entry gate at Gatwick for the two suspects, a very unlikely possibility. Why they tried the trick of ...we are "tourists", which was very quickly countered by the CCTV footage of the suspects walking through Salisbury towards the Skipals house and essentially away from the Cathedral....An amateur attempt from the Russians.

I admit I am changing my mind....but still find it hard to believe that the Russians heirachy are quite that inept, but it is beginning to look that they might be.



I am still worried about these photo though. We are told the Novichok was on the front door knob. The first picture shows the door being guarded by police without protective clothing or gloves. The second, the policeman is right against the door (he is wearing proper police man fluffy gloves though). I do not think we know the whole truth, and information is being with held

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Beth this is not a 'I told you so' but it could never have been anyone else.
The evidence at the time was...
He was a Russian target.
The poison was from Russia confirmed by PD
That grade of poison could have only come from Russian and not some rebel state
They have a history of Poisoning people
The Russian government is corrupt and has murdered many of its own people.
Putin stated death to all traitors.
Their charade of a spokesman at the time also told me it was them
NEVER would it have come from the UK.

This latest thing is not laughable but as someone quoted "it's chilling".

 

[ELLERS]

I like an occasional Spoons sesh too. I didn’t say all the clientele were thick or pro-Brexit. Just on average thicker and more pro.

We’ll all be drinking Victory gin soon anyway.

Watford don't act like a snob mate. You live in Bracknell!

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Watford don't at like a snob mate. You live in Bracknell!

I’m not a snob. It’s just a fact of life that the place attracts reprobates. I can be a reprobate myself, albeit an intelligent and eloquent one.

 

[ELLERS]

It will all come out in time I am sure....but scepticism is a good thing. So is learning to think for yourself, with your own half a brain cell and not believing everything you are told

That's fine but you have changed your mind after reading the latest information. Who is to say that is correct? We are guided by what we read and believe.

 

[qprbeth]

That's fine but you have changed your mind after reading the latest information. Who is to say that is correct? We are guided by what we read and believe.

I am changing my mind yes ...but I am changing my mind based on evidence...not being told, or accepting what the media tell me.
I was really perturbed, that the media told us who it was immediately. I do not think we did have any evidence until the last few weeks.


I have watched the Russian video and it is not hugely creditable.
I have seen the the timings of their visits to Salisbury...having just been a tourist seeing the sights in south of France, I know that is not the way tourists seeing a sight of interest acts.
I am hugely suspicious of their interview.

All I am saying is...our side of the story is not waterproof either and I would (eventually) like to know why. I am just asking for analytical thinking not simple agreement to what we are told by a newspaper or even the BBC

 

[TheBigDipper]

I'm satisfied it was a Russian operation - based on the fact that revenge is a reliable motive and they clearly had the opportunity and the means. We may never see all the evidence come into the public domain - even if it came to trial (which it won't). I'm sure it's been shared with our intelligence partners, though - which is why they support our point of view.

Did Putin know beforehand? Who knows? He does now. Will those two vanish from public life now? Almost certainly. Maybe from life itself, as a reward for a botched job that has put this into the public eye. On the basis that several people almost died and have life-changing outcomes, plus one person did die, I won't cry too much.

 

[sb_73]

I like an occasional Spoons sesh too. I didn’t say all the clientele were thick or pro-Brexit. Just on average thicker and more pro.

We’ll all be drinking Victory gin soon anyway.

The lucky among us will be drinking it with a clove in at the Chestnut Tree Cafe, safe in the knowledge that we will soon be free.

 

[rangercol]

Why didn’t he bring in these cheaper, higher quality drinks earlier? It’s a publicity stunt.

The bloke is playing up to his largely below average intelligence, largely pro-Brexit customer base, which is fine, but it’s a bit naive of you Col.

Not saying you’re below average intelligence before you have a fit over that.

Still a hero. Always liked him.

 

[ELLERS]

I am changing my mind yes ...but I am changing my mind based on evidence...not being told, or accepting what the media tell me.

So who told you about this evidence if it wasn't the media or being told?

 

[rangercol]

I don't think there were any who had any doubts mate more in line with waiting for the evidence to be produced before accusation

Nobody ever said it wasn't the Russians! What they said was that evidence needed to be produced before pronouncing guilt! Like always, you take what you want, give It a spin to suit your own agenda just like a politician.

With respect mate, I seem to remember a few saying that they didn't think it was the Russians.
Mind you, my memory is pretty ****!!

 

[rangercol]

I am happy to put my hand up. I didn't think we had any proof it was the Russians.

There is nothing magical about making the toxin stuff, and I am sure Porton Down have made some...it is sensible to make it, investigate it, test remedies etc.

I have to say upto Putins intervention of "It wasn't us gov, you got the wrong geyser" I was not convinced that we had any real proof. But the performance of the two suspects.."Our friends told us to go to Salisbury. It is world famous it has a church and the oldest clock", was pathetic.
Especially after the Russians had put doubt in the minds of the people at the UN, with the observation of exactly the same timing on the entry gate at Gatwick for the two suspects, a very unlikely possibility. Why they tried the trick of ...we are "tourists", which was very quickly countered by the CCTV footage of the suspects walking through Salisbury towards the Skipals house and essentially away from the Cathedral....An amateur attempt from the Russians.

I admit I am changing my mind....but still find it hard to believe that the Russians heirachy are quite that inept, but it is beginning to look that they might be.



I am still worried about these photo though. We are told the Novichok was on the front door knob. The first picture shows the door being guarded by police without protective clothing or gloves. The second, the policeman is right against the door (he is wearing proper police man fluffy gloves though). I do not think we know the whole truth, and information is being with held

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I don't think we'll ever know the full story Beth and I've always said that a few things don't quite add up.
There could be a few reasons why the security services are withholding some facts, ranging from national security to their ingrained propensity for secrecy.
As for the Russians, they know that interview looks ridiculous, but that's the point. They are ridiculing us and pushing us. They also want other, as they see them, traitors to be in no doubt that they will be punished. Russia knew they would be implicated and wanted it to be so.
It's the old School Russia way to deal with foreign policy.

 

[rangercol]

Ellers I believe I have half a brain cell...and there were a lot , a huge amount of inconsistencies in the "official" account the poisoning. That may be accounted for by security reasons, we do not know/should not know all the details DURING an investigation. There are problems with the story.

The doorknob at the house.
The timing problems at Gatwick
The tragic death of Dawn Sturgiss, who picked up an unopened bottle of Nicci Ricci perfume from a charity bin months later and had to assemble it. It has a seperate applicator. Sprayed it on herself and died.

It will all come out in time I am sure....but scepticism is a good thing. So is learning to think for yourself, with your own half a brain cell and not believing everything you are told

I thought the timings at Gatwick were explained by the fact that there are two channels, both filmed at the same time by separate cctv cameras?