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I agree. I would say that apart from demanding all swans "real" fans tattoo SCFC or STID on their chests, then how does the club differentiate the so called real fans from the plastics. The easiest option is to sell ST to all first come first serve. As stated numerous times before, everyone had ample time to buy ST before may 31st. I sympathise with non regular attendees , but surely the business case warrants selling as many ST ad possible.
 
Jager

Jesus i have been on here a week or 2 and i have started talking to myself, i never had this problem on 606
 
Dragon
In response to your original post I have been told today of a London 'jack' who attended the play-off final(first game)and as a result purchased 2 corporate ST's at £1600 even though he may not be able to attend matches each week-it does appear that the rank and file were indeed priced out of the market by the clubs commercial/marketing arm prior to the general release of st's
 
1stclassswan exactly, well said, but don't worry your not on your own!...................
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Jager there was no need for the 'sworn aftedavits' cheap remark, and it's not rocket science for the club to have rewarded the Real fans whether they have been season ticket holders, or those that have attended games by tickets each week, matter of fact those that pay each week are contributing more to the club!! but that's another subject, the club have been miss guided in using ST Sales to boost the profits without any concern for some sections of they're fan base, there was no need to have taken the season ticket allocation to 16000, and you or nobody will be able to put a respectable face on this, the club in my view have not dealt equitably in this, and if you can't see that from the comments of Jacks such as JackAsh, 1stclassswan, and many others, then frankly you never will.

The reason I put this article up was to inform supporters that I new, were not aware of the fact that they will not be able to watch the Swans next season, and while many are defensive of the clubs actions regarding this situation, and the excuses are flying in fast and thick that it's good business, well it is not! because football is not simply a business, and the club would not have gone bust, if they had been more equitable in giving the fans that buy tickets every week a fairer chance to see they're team, after all, they have put more money into the club than ST holders, so all these excuses by the 'I'm all right Jack brigade, simply does not wash, the club have failed in they're duty to look after a certain section of they're fans, because they were more interested in racking up between £6 to £8 Million pounds, pre-season, and this I find more unpleasant considering the £90 Million Jackpot we are due to recieve.
 
alswan said:
Dragon
In response to your original post I have been told today of a London 'jack' who attended the play-off final(first game)and as a result purchased 2 corporate ST's at £1600 even though he may not be able to attend matches each week-it does appear that the rank and file were indeed priced out of the market by the clubs commercial/marketing arm prior to the general release of st's
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But the normal season tickets have not gone up in price until after we have gone up, what happened to the 3 months previously when tickets have gone on sale? Also those tickets you mentioned are coming with food, the bars in the west bank, plus a parking space
 
Phiil, with respects, a football club is a business try asking the tax man what he thinks!

And no cheap remarks from me, you are trying to say for the club to turn away money from customers, the excuses are coming from the fans not taking up the offer in March and later, no money to buy tickets, well use the optional finance available for £29 a month!

As I mentioned previously its over subscribed just like in a lot of other clubs in the premier league, the difference for us is that we have a stadium not suited for the premier league , in that I mean we have the smallest stadium up there, this is not the club's fault, this is down to the original building of the stadium.
 
"how does the club differentiate the so called real fans from the plastics." - Nottage

Nottage with all due respect, that is not a difficult one, but the way you put your question, makes out as if it's an impossibility! let me ask you how did the club this season reward it's fans that went to certain games? They simply told the loyal fans to hold on to they're ticket stubs, so if the club really wanted to differentiate between the plastic and the real fans, it was not going to be difficult because they would only have needed to ask the fans to keep hold of X amount of ticket stubs, which the plastic, would not have been in possession off, and by the way, I make no apology for using the term plastic, because I've been around long enough to know the difference, and plastic they are, shame on the club for not looking after the true fans!..............
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Dragon, the club are not going to please every one. Season ticket holders put money into the coffers of the club, when the club needs it, simple. Its money in the bank to invest. As noble as it is, STH help the club out. If the club never had STH money in the closed season, how are we meant to invest in players???? Hats off to any fan, but the club is a business. Look at away supporters, top respect to them, but, the money they put into the trips mostly go into the away teams purse (although I stand to be corrected), and people who pick and choose games, cannot be relied on as an income to the club when investment is required.
 
Come on Phil, our club needs paying support, we had Leeds and Forest with a packed stadium, and 8k-9k season tickets sold last term and average of 15k a game, where do you think all these extra fans came from? To call fans plastic because they want to go and see the club is not doing anything mate, without these plastic fans as you call them, we will probably go out of business, there is a loyal support of about 11k-12k who will go no matter what, if we relied just on that we would go out of business!

And lets face it Phil, the loyal fans as you put it got us 15k fans last season, that has gone up yes and given us money to buy players because of cash in advance, plus there is still 2k tickets at least for sale on every game, if the away team doesn't sell their allocation that could increase!
 
MabonJack said:
Dragon

I have been talking to someone today who has cleared up for me the question of why the club has taken this step, its because they have to find £5.4 million to cover the cost of servicing the squad bonus for promotion and other player payments.the squad will share a pot of £5.4 million. as always the name will remain confidential but it seems that promotion ain't cheap
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Mabon thanks mate, as ever your up front and honest with you objectivity, which is always appreciated, I thought that there was some issue why this had been done, the way it had, shame still though!..............
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Nottage I respect your view, and I have no issue with maximising ST sales, but I do have an issue when it goes to the degree of 90% of the home seats, and to the exclusion of other honest group of fans that clearly don't have a voice at the club, I find that repugnant to be honest with you! I thought we at Swansea were better than this, but clearly not, the club in my view will be judged on this sharp practice..............
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I don't disagree with the ST policy at the club, if you want to go to home games then you now need to buy a ST. Fair enough.

For me personally (as I live away), I would like to see the introduction of an Away Members Club, which some other teams have got in place. You pay a membership fee (say £50), then you automatically get the money taken out of your account when each away ticket goes on sale.

Alternatively, you pay a membership fee and then get 2nd priority for all away tickets behind season ticket holders.
 
Dpj. Likewise respect your views. It would be interesting to find out average % of STH premiership clubs have (% of capacity would make it easier to collate as away ticket numbers vary game by game). Swans would be approximate 80% ( I am sure I will be corrected if wrong).
 
Nottage

Each home club must provide for the visiting team 10% of the grounds capacity for away fans, in our case each club can claim a total of 2000 tickets for their fans when they play us at the liberty, Man Utd would have to give swansea 7500 tickets for our fans when we play at their place etc, any unsold tickets will go back in to the home club for general sale, unless there is a restriction or segregation agreement in place due to past issues, but where there is none they would be entitled to sell those tickets to home fans
 
I agree with the sentiments of the main article, and don't think that corporate customers should have priority in buying tickets. They should queue up like the rest. But a couple of things to note is that corporates bring in money. Let them buy season tickets and some may end up paying big money to sponsor us. Also, season tickets have been on sale for ages, so it's not like any genuine fans haven't had the chance to buy them. Quite the opposite in fact.

But I know there will be some individual cases where people have missed out for various reasons. That's just life I'm afraid.

But I agree that this could have been hadled much better by the club.

But the bottom line is that season tickets were available and there weren't even any queues. So where were the complainers? Why didn't they buy their ticket a few weeks ago.

As long as we stay up and finish far enough above the drop zone I think the stadium capacity will be raised, and so this will be sorted out in the longer-term.

A few years in the Premiership and the youngsters in South Wales will start supporting Swansea instead of Cardiff. This could be the start of something big if handled correctly.
 
DragonPhilljack said:
1stclassswan exactly, well said, but don't worry your not on your own!...................



Jager there was no need for the 'sworn aftedavits' cheap remark, and it's not rocket science for the club to have rewarded the Real fans whether they have been season ticket holders, or those that have attended games by tickets each week, matter of fact those that pay each week are contributing more to the club!! but that's another subject, the club have been miss guided in using ST Sales to boost the profits without any concern for some sections of they're fan base, there was no need to have taken the season ticket allocation to 16000, and you or nobody will be able to put a respectable face on this, the club in my view have not dealt equitably in this, and if you can't see that from the comments of Jacks such as JackAsh, 1stclassswan, and many others, then frankly you never will.

The reason I put this article up was to inform supporters that I new, were not aware of the fact that they will not be able to watch the Swans next season, and while many are defensive of the clubs actions regarding this situation, and the excuses are flying in fast and thick that it's good business, well it is not! because football is not simply a business, and the club would not have gone bust, if they had been more equitable in giving the fans that buy tickets every week a fairer chance to see they're team, after all, they have put more money into the club than ST holders, so all these excuses by the 'I'm all right Jack brigade, simply does not wash, the club have failed in they're duty to look after a certain section of they're fans, because they were more interested in racking up between £6 to £8 Million pounds, pre-season, and this I find more unpleasant considering the £90 Million Jackpot we are due to recieve
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I really don´t get you sometimes Phill.

For a start it´s 80% of the ground, not 90%. Swings and roundabouts some would say but it´s 80%, which is an extra 2k of seats compared to 90%.

As for rewarding previous season ticket holders... they were rewarded! We got promoted! That, and they will all have had first preference to renew season tickets.

I really don´t like the way you word things sometimes, using words like "revolting" and "greedy" in conjunction with what is clearly one of, if not the best run football club in Britain. Like it or not, as well as being an institution we all love, football is a business, end of, and if people are offering money to the club, unless it´s to massive detriment then the club have to take it.
 
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