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the perils of appointing

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by garrybuild, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    And after considering all of these factors (especially the one highlighted), our Chairman decides that's clearly enough credentials to offer him the job full time <doh>
     
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  2. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Sherwood gets no slack because he has no record of success in management. It's hard to have confidence in a total unknown. I don't think it's that he's not liked, we'll all e praising him if he gets top 4 but it seems unlikely.

    My biggest problem with the decision is that I don't expect him to make the whole season. I mean what happens if we don't beat Stoke? And then lose against United, do we still stick by him when he's struggling badly to get results? I hope not but if we do sack him, we're back to where we were again but in a worse position.
     
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  3. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    this whole problem stems from Levy acting like a headless chicken when it goes wrong

    Hoddle sacked in september and then the whole of the season written off with pleat ... and some of the worst spurs football ever seen the 4-3 v 10 man city after being 3 up and drawing 4-4 with 10 man about to be relegated leicester after being 3-1 up...

    he took 9 months to appoint and santini produced boring tedious ****e football before quitting less than 4 months into the season...he lucked out with jol who he treated with no diginity as he whored the club's soul in pursuit of Ramos.

    He got it spot on with redknapp before they fell out (I get why that occurred) and then decided to be so clever and appoint a man who was sacked by chelsea who then went on to win the FA Cup and the CL just 2 months after sacking him.

    Not content with having AVB he gave him £130m to spend in 3 transfer windows and then sacked him with no thought as to who will replace him

    Levy is great at the money side of things but he is shocking at choosing managers and keeping the good ones.
    I will always support the manager but I have less than no faith that sherwood will succeed or will be our manager at the start of next season and so our "transitional" season continues
     
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  4. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    The record of management at Spurs is not good but is it any better at any other PL club? The only two teams I can think of where you could argue that it is better are Man U & Everton. So maybe rather than attack Levy who has after all provided financial stability and kept us hovering around the top 6 in recent years you might want to look at the way football works as a whole.

    I don't think anyone can 'pick' a manager because it comes down to luck and most will not get the time to build their team anyway. As for lack of experience! Where is the evidence that experience makes any difference over luck in place and time?
     
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  5. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I think the goons have had a good record...chelsea for all their swapping have been very successful and liverpool have been more successful than us too ... they have finished below us in the last few years but have regularly won trophies and look like a decent team at the moment.
    I also agree about levy and the finances and said that in my post but that doesnt change the fact that he has made poor choices in terms of appointing managers.
    Levy has done really well for us financially but is distracting from all that by being so poor at choosing managers
     
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  6. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Your record of who is successful and who is not just confirms my point that it is pot luck as far as a manger is concerned. Yes Arsenal should have been in my list making it 3 out of, what 20 teams. Chelsea like City have just purchased their 'success' but once again what difference has it made having all those managers?

    If Sherwood can motivate the players and not make a complete arse of picking a team then he is likely to make as little difference as any other manager to the 'financial' clout of Spurs and their relative league position.
     
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  7. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Fair points tbh but...why take a chance on avb? Then give him 130m to spend and then sack him?
    Thats not bad luck imo but poor judgement.
    As for sherwood...my problem aint his appointment. ..its the fact that I dont think he will get us into the top 4 this season and wont win a trophy...therefore he will be gone in the summer...if I was confident that he'd at least see out his 18 months I would be more optimistic about the next season and a half
     
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  8. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Yes I agree with you with AVB they had every chance of knowing what he would deliver. His boring brand of football should not have been a secret to them should it!
     
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    You forgot to add publicly backstabbing Hoddle to the list.
     
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  12. Spudulike

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    We tried that approach this season and it failed miserably. Why? Wrong DOF and wrong coach in charge = wrong Chairman

    &#8230;they won trophies and titles!

    Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton have had a better managerial appointment record than us over the course of the past ten years in my view.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's been said that Levy and Baldini wanted Benteke, but AVB wanted Soldado - and when Benteke signed a new deal at Villa, it forced their collective hand.
     
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  14. <doh>

    Now, I know why he was sacked!

    Let's hope AVB's new club put in a massive bid for Soldado, so we can offload the donkey.
     
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  15. PowerSpurs

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    Despite the summer 'spending' we've still only got a squad that cost 60% of Chelsea's, Man U's and Man C's and the same as Liverpool's and Arsenal's. Why do we expect to achieve more than them if we've also got a worse chairman, DoF and Manager?
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    He says he's taking a six-month sabbatical before taking his next job. Hopefully it's at PSG.
     
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  17. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    Only because we managed to rinse Real Madrid for £85m+ for one player. How often does that ever happen? Very rarely. Take away that very unusual and unique single player transfer figure and the 'true' financial balance sheet reveals itself. Still, it doesn't explain why we spent so much on crap players for the most part.

    True. How depressing!
     
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  18. Spurs61

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    I think Sherwood has been appointed as a stop gap manager - if he surprises Levy and does well then he could stay on after the summer but if not he will be gone. Sherwood said he would not accept an interim appointment so 18 months was probably the minimum we could offer him - in this day and age and with whatever we are paying him the cost of a 12 month "penalty" clause is not a lot. It is in the summer we would have a better chance of attracting a manager of choice - not many of the top managers would walk out on a contract mid season to join us. The real choice was whether or not to hang on to AVB in the hope he could get the fans, the players and the club behind him - given some of his press comments I think he did himself no favours.
     
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  19. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    Surely that depends on where we finish this season, making Sherwood's appointment a massive gamble for now and the future?
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's like 2004 all over again - AVB was another Santini, now Sherwood is another Pleat!
     
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