The pay cut and wage dilemma

You should read your articles and comments before posting Tash, you leave yourself wide open to criticism.

 

I agree in part with that. However Coloccini is no more than an average Premiership defender. If we replace him with somebody who wants 35k we're saving 40k a week wages. That alone means we can afford to pay a higher transfer fee than what we receive for Colo. And with a cheaper signing, if we sign a player that disrupts the harmony then they will be easier to offload.

Also finding out whether a player will fit in with the squad is part of the scouting that scouts do. They find out what kind of personality the players have. This is one of the reasons any link with Taarabt is rubbish. We know he could and probably would disrupt the dressing room.

 

Liberal opinion based Democracy FTW!

 

I think it's best to agree to disagree.

However, i don't ignore opposing argument, and even if it seems like i think we should give all our players anything they want to say, i really don't mean it. I just think some of our players are worth more than the 50k a week, and the extra money we would be paying them, isn't a fraction of the losses we would encounter if we got rid of all of them and got relegated.

Relegation would **** this club up financially, and much more so than a few players being on an extra 10/20k a week. Mike Ashley blows millions at the casino, so he's obviously not strapped for cash.

My ideas are for the long term benifit of the club. I know its a catch 22, as pay players higher wages could hit us hard, but relegation would hit us harder.

 

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Mike Ashley blows millions at a casino, but that is his personal life! That isn't NUFC cash, that's MA cash! He enjoys a gamble, he shouldn't give that up and pump funds into this club.

The only reason we have players 'worth' over 50k a week is because of our bar being set too high. Barton is never a 70k player, Smith never a 60k player, Colo never an 80k player, Enrique not a 50k player at the time of signing etc.

Enrique should be getting his wage raised to 50k a week now, Colo should be getting raised to 50k a week, Barton should be getting kept on 50k a week. And Smith should be easy to offload. But as we have paid these extortianate wages to begin with, we have to knuckle down on this. We should not pay more than 50k a week, Spurs don't and they are a team that can compete in the Champions League.

 

The aim of the club is to be self sufficient so that the club complies with new UEFA rules in regards to clubs finances.

If Ashley has to put money into the club then it's not self sufficient and therefore doesn't comply with the regulations and therefore is liable for a penalty from UEFA which is we cannot play in Europe if we managed to get a place.

Currently the club is one of the best placed placed in Europe to BENEFIT from these regulations.

 

Thing is though Tash, financial worth is entirely relevant to the market in which it operates...Although we're still pretty big earners, we're not a european team yet...We've proven, with the likes of Tiote and Ben Arfa we can bring in quality for less money and building slowly will help us immeasurably in the long term!

You're right that there are certainly 2 sides to it, but what you're suggesting (even if its only the odd player) is too similar to Shephards business model...Paying players huge wages to satisfy them and hoping they in turn send us up the table, as we saw with the 08/09 season - it doesn't always work! (Plus with FIFA regulations coming in, we have to continue to reduce the wage bill in order to operate safely and economically within their guidelines)

The comment about Ashley spending millions in a casino is irrelevant tbf. It's his money, we are one of his many businesses. He's already ploughed millions into us, its about time Newcastle operated off its own back IMO!

[EDIT: ALF and OT basically said what I said whilst I was typing it]

 

Cheers for that information. I knew about the idea of breaking even, and i think Ashley is doing what's right to do that, but i didn't know all the facts that you mentioned in your comment

 

The club will have a finite limit budgetted for wages. If you overpay (according to the cap) a player by £30k/week then that means you have to do without another decent player or are limited to signing a player of lesser quality because you have less to play with. Take into account that Colo, Barton, Smith and possibly others are all overpaid this means that we are diverting considerable funds into the personal bank accounts of a number of players rather than using that money to hire other players of the calibre needed to take this club forward. There are limited funds available and we are paying too much of it to a limited few, all of which are in my opinion replaceable by players who have the potential to be as good or better but who would play for less.

Yes there is always a risk that a new player won't perform and I have argued before that we shouldn't get rid of our high earners before their current contracts expire so that they can continue to be available to us whilst the new breed find their feet. Although I repeat the caveat that if we are offered the right price they should be sold on a case by case basis.

Taking Colo as an example (as he was mentioned earlier) I don't think Seville are offering anywhere near enough yet, but would sell at about £10m.

 

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Oh and Tash for letting it drop also, I shall give you rep

edit: failed rep

 

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Half the problem is we bought certain players based on reputation rather than form or ability and rather than risk them going elsewhere we threw as much money as possible at them. Now we have a scouting system that works we can look at making changes. Those who want to play for the club will take a pay cut.

I do agree with Tash that perhaps in certain circumstances we should make exceptions, however i don't see that any of our current crop fit that bill.

 

This, we need to start looking for the future.

New rules are coming in, and the club is preparing itself to instantly benefit from these new rules and regulations. And that's exactly what we should be doing. Let's see how Man City and Liverpool do when these new rules come in. Since they're not the most self sufficient clubs around town!

 

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This is very true and the fact is that Seville won't be able to afford his wages means that he will probably stay with us and see out his contract which means that we get nothing for him.

We have been stuck with Smith and Xisco because we are paying them far too high a wage in proportion to their talent.

 

I also think that Newcastle won't pay any difference i wages, whereas clubs in the past have agreed to pay the difference in an effort to get a player to move on.

 

Eugh! Don't remind me mate! In a few years due to these fair play rules, 50K will be a high bloody wage! And that's what we want to be selling to these players. Barton for example doesn't seem to be able to understand aswell as Nolan couldn't hence why we could lose Barton and have already removed Nolan. We need to set down a marker and that's what I praise Ashley for!

 

So, what have I missed?

 

I agree. Ashley is showing foresight and making the right decisions for our long term financial future. Bearing in mind that they are deemed unpopular by many of the fans fuelling yet more criticism towards him that takes a certain amount of courage. Credit where it's due I say.