The pay cut and wage dilemma

I can't believe two people give me negative rep for this, Why?

 

Sorry Tash but it doesn't seem to matter how many times the principal of a wage cap is explained to you you always come back with same stuff. "We should make an exception for him ... and him ... oh yeah and him". You just don't get it do you?

If Colo doesn't think £50k is enough then let him go ... he isn't as world class as you seem to suggest. We would be able to get a CB who is just as good who would be happy to be paid that much.

 

Tash, this is not football manager.

If Colo is on £70k per week and we replace him with a player on £35k per week on a five year contract, that equates to over £9 million (£1,820,000 per season).

If you do this for four of our big earners, you could save over £7 million per year (£35 million + over 5 years).

I am not saying that I want this to happen, I am just pointing out the logic,and remember, this is REAL money that we are talking about, it is easy to forget the value of these figures when talking about football

 

I think that's fair enough, 50k or 60k for a player who had 2 consistent seasons oh and who is also our captain is fair

 

Who cares if Ashley can save millions on wages, the services of the players are worth far more than that!! We could lose more by selling them. Why do people think that every player is easily replaced? Quality can be replaced but the heart of the team could leave as more and more of these players exit the club.

And btw, i don't player football manager and never have.

 

I should have known better

 

You're taking things out of context now.

 

We all should. The phrase "beating your head against a brick wall" springs to mind here.

The fact that Ashley only makes money from the club if he sells, draws a salary (which he doesn't) or takes dividends (which he doesn't) or charges interest on his loans to the club (which he doesn't) obviously doesn't register with him. It is NUFC that makes this money enabling it to become profitable thus meeting the FIFA regs and generating cash surpluses which can be used for the advancement of the club.

Rep to anybody that can somehow make Tash understand basic economics because I'm out of ideas.

 

Doesn't matter. Other people seemed to have grasped what i'm saying, or offered a respectable counter argument, unlike you two who constantly act like ****s.

 

That's all very well, Simon, but there has to be some degree of realism, in footballing terms, rather than just approaching it from an accountancy point of view.

On one hand it makes sense to get rid of a players who are on £50,000 - £70,000 a week, and replace them with players on say £30,000 a week. But that only makes sense if the new players are as good as the ones they are replacing. If they are not, and the club was to get relegated, all the money saved would be down the drain, anyway, and the inferior squad might then not get back up at the first time of asking. Result. Financial melt-down.

These new guys might all be the bees knees. However, I have to admit that I had never heard of most of them before they were linked with NUFC. They may look good on a couple of minutes clip on UTube. However, so did Luque and Xisco, and we all know how good they turned out to be!

I think that the way the club is moving may turn out to the makings of us. However, getting rid of proved Premiership players, and replacing them with guys who have played well in Ligue 1, but are completly untried in the EPL, represents a huge gamble - even by Ashley's standards.

As for me? My motto is "Hope for the best. Expect the worst. That way you'll never be disappointed."

 

I think you've got to get a mix. The players we're signing don't come with an automatic affection to Newcastle (I know it may seem like they do, but please don't get lulled into thinking they love it here despite not even knowing the area yet - it's beyond naive), whereas Barton does I believe have a genuine affection and affiliation with Newcastle. As previous seasons have shown us, that passion, not just for oneself but also for the club is so important and it can be unbelievable detrimental to a team's overall game if they don't have it.

In my opinion, Barton is worth £50k a week at least. He was one of the best midfielders in the league last season despite being out of position and has that passion that sees teams through games. Him, along with Tiote (to add speed and power) in holding midfield with players like HBA, Marveaux, Cabaye, Jonas creating for a really good CF (Sturridge *crosses fingers til they get arthritis*) would win more than they lose without a doubt

 

Agreed. This is basically what i've been saying. We shouldn't just give the players anything they want, but we cant just get rid of all our vital players either.

It's all about a person sense of worth and i think some of the players we have are worth over the 50k mark, but that's just my opinion.

 

Who would do such a thing!

 

Johnny has two apples for sale and has to make £2 to break even or the banks will close his business down, his wife will leave him and his children will have to be sold for medical experiments.

Suzy has £1.50 and needs the two apples to feed her starving children. She offers the money and sexual services.

Johnny refuses the offer as he's too much to lose and doesn't have any personal connection to Suzy or her starving children. He offers one bite of an apple for sexual favours and photographic rights.

Suzy cannot refuse.

Johnny sells the apples later on for £1.50 and also makes £25 from letting strangers view his pictures of Suzy getting it.

 

Tash
Explain how I have constantly acted like a ****.

 

it's gonna kick off!! Make some room!!

 

Pathetic. Tash you're being a helmet. Why should we pay an average premier league defender 80k a week? He wouldn't get that anywhere else, so if he refused a pay cut he should be shown the door. 80k a week when he played like ****e, 80k a week in the Championship, 80k a week when he played reasonably well in the Premiership, 50k a week is what he should drop to.

It isn't Ashley who gets this money, the club gets the money which it needs due to the new financial rules, saving money on wages means we can afford transfers which help us progress.

 

Not sure it helps too much in this debate but I liked it

Gonna have to owe you the rep because i've got to spread it around apparently! (don't care whether Tash understood it, it is worth it anyway)

 

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I understand what you are saying, and I did point out in an early post that this is not what I want to happen, just pointing out what could be MA's logic behind all this.

But the players that we are talking about replacing are average Premiership players. I know that there is always a risk in bringing in players untried in the Premiership, Colo and Enrique took a season to settle over here. But many people had not heard of them before they came to SJP and how many people had heard of Tiote and even to an extent HBA before we signed them?