Thansk mate. I left it after season 1 ep 10? and they made a few extras after. I had said no ****ing way to watch again for all reasons above. so: a) klingons actually look like TNG klingons is good b) ott tech is a MAJOR issue as this series is supposedly before original series so having tech more advanced than the then even later TBG or DS9 is a real issue. c) the main characters were terrible, utterly unlikable lot.
I wish CBS would give up on making it an exclusive to All Access channel in N.America and release it on Netflix here too.
That seems to be common of a lot of modern shows. 60's - 80's the good guys were almost always too good... They had few flaws. 90's - 00's they went slightly grittier and made the Good guys Heathcliffs, giving them rough edges... But still ultimately likable. The last 5 or 6 years a lot of shows have gone too far. The main characters of a lot of shows are just completely unlikable jerks. Ironically, I think shows like Breaking Bad, an excellent show, triggered this. Walter White morphing from a hero to the anti-hero... But the recent shows lose the early stages where you build understanding and respect for the protagonist- and jumping right into the asshole stage. There are a lot of shows that turn me off because I just don't like the main characters. I prefer shows with a balance. The main characters should be relatable to the audience and likable, but not Mary Janes like the flawless 80's characters. It makes it more interesting when they have flaws and are well rounded... Just don't overdo it.
Just to address. a) they still don't look like TNG Klingons, but they look more like them. And they introduce actual Klingon ships at the end. b) Major effort to remove alot of the tech stuff that didn't make sense. Also the redesign of the Enterprise bridge is pretty good c) Its an interesting one, The main characters are better, cause they are better written. However there is still the 'making them more real' problem. I'd say its biggest problem is the One story series. 14 episodes is too much for the story Also the Ending is very open ended. Enterprise or Discovery?
Yeah i think the 70s type shows had a harder edge, the tough guys but they were "good" I think personally its the era of the nasty twat. the issue for me is walter is bascially an ok guy in a situation that gets in a spiral. These days they start out **** heads like you say. One of the most likeable saturday mornign shows was the rockford files as the james garner character was bascially a lovable rouge. he knew dodgy character but you didn't really believe he was anything but vanilla.
For those that have seen STD (bad initials) is it worth me getting a free trial month of CBS All Access so I can binge it and risking not cancelling in time? I might wait for the Picard ST to try a trial.
I guess they had to somehow fix the thing without just "fixing it" and pretending they never did a thing. There is the whole original series klingons were bascially white guys with funny eyebrows and stained a colour. TNG added the forehead ridges but the worf character developed so far there is no other possible or respectable variety. TNG even made some joke about it. IF discovery is attempting to "deal" with this genetic modification of klingons to fix the rather stupid movie ****e that abrahams did then at least thats something
Don't think they deal with the Klingons or the gene story, but rather just make tiny changes until people are happy. DS9 made the joke, its when they travel back in time to the tribbles episode. I always get the sense that Roddenberry wanted to make the Klingons more alien, but budgets and prosthetics just weren't advanced enough to do it for TOS. Then he was handed a big sum of money to make the Motion Picture and he could finally do something with the Klingons, Look, Language etc and you get TNG taking it to the next step, culture etc. Also Abbrams films have been declare 'Outside' the regular ST timeline. Alternative reality, like the mirror universe.
I'd wait till Picard and the other series are out before doing anything. I wouldn't pay for just STD.
Watched first episode of Westworld not sure about it yet and don't want to watch it just to see Thandi Newton get her kit off.So question is.is it worth sticking with?
you geek I remember the DS9 episode now... a real classic. The thing about the original movies is he had the budget and created them so for jj abrahams to come along and butcher it and make them look what was basically fake cos their mouths can barely move was stupid the 3 "new" (and barely) star trek movies are just like the destruction of star wars. they are cheap action flicks not real star trek. The final one was frankly a travesty.... but lets be fair i suppose.. 3 4 and 5 of the movies originally were awful ****e.
I could never get into DS9... Seemed too soapy. I know it's a lot of people's favourite though. Regarding the films. I've still never seen the very first one. I've heard that it's boring and I'm not missing much.
Motion Picture, yeah it is a bit slow and boring and it hasn't dated well, costumes especially. Its problem was trying to be too science and forgetting it needed a compelling story. Its like they try to tackle too big of a subject. However the visuals for the time are spectacular.
It improved radically after a couple of seasons. At the start it was frankly a bit stuck on a space station having relationships etc. Once they stuck a ship there and had an galactic wide war it improved no end. TNG was "big" but it did become samey after a while and its best stories were again galaxy wide. borg, klingon civil war etc. TNG started out trying to be really "military disciplined" almost to try and counter the kirk character and bone being anything but a space navy kind of discipline. It went on too long probably and riker etc got old. Voyager was just plain ****e. it was weak, the characters remained weak. Chakotay was always weak imo, the only coupe that had anything about them were married off then the "yong ensign" stays a young ensign for 7 years. But discovery? its like as if your country mate, has decided that military discipline is a 20th century construct and not needed. It was utterly stupid. utterly. Ds9 benefited from sisko shaving his head and learning to shout at people.... silly really but it worked
From the ST I've seen. Original: bad acting, repetitive plots, but somehow quite entertaining. NG: great acting saves bad writing from stinking too bad. Voyager: bad acting ruins good writing. (Ok some bad writing in there too for some episodes but most of the plot ideas were actually decent). DS9: "Neighbours" in space. Enterprise: Bad writing finally pairs with bad acting and produces a mediocre show. TNG was my favourite despite the sometimes poor plotlines and endless holodeck episodes, the show still felt fresh and interesting for most of it's run. I'm actually enjoying the Orville although it is very hit or miss, the acting stinks and most episodes have giant plot holes. Like TNG it feels fresh and entertaining despite it's flaws. Some episodes are bad, and some are great.
it's basically a case that you've got to have a new planet every week to visit so the problem is you had 23 episodes or whatever per season. these days if you've what i call run of the mill **** tv like crime shows you get 23 episodes but for really top tv and most anything on Netflix etc you get 10 episodes and that's it. If you can have the same.budget but only ten shows the expectation is better writing and better scenes and cgi. that goes for any show really. if say that jack Ryan show that came.out last year had 23 episodes you would have got maybe 2 good actions scenes, maybe one location not over the globe and the rest tooling around yankland playing crime drama. as it was you got 10 shows which were decent but even them it didn t quite deliver in the end somehow. look at game of thrones... theres actially whining that the first show this year wasnt enough...
