Yea, lets dance to Fergie's tune, Suarez out. Let's give Suarez the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully this will blow over, and Suarez can just get on with what he does best, playing football.
Absolutely agree with you there, but then a player doesn't have to be bigger than the club to start to think they are bigger than the club. And it's a slippery slope when they do - I reckon Dalglish will have to slap Suarez down and make him realise that the support he's been given doesn't give him carte blanche to do what he wants, without considering the reputation of the club.
Why do you keep bringing up United and Fergie? It is clear as day I am talking about what OUR (LFC not Manchester) club should have done better. It will only blow over now if Suarez keeps his head down, out of trouble, and starts scoring goals. Even then they will still harp back to all of this. At least we agree on one point, but you need to stop focusing on United and start worrying about LFC.
Your on the wind up Swarbs, perhaps Dalglish knew Suarez would not shake hands, maybe he was sticking his middle finger up at United, who knows what goes on behind closed doors. Your quick to condemn Suarez without a mention of the behaviour of Evra or even your own manager, not really the most balanced of views.
I can tell you if we BELIEVED any of them when they told us for sure they never said it then we've have backed them. People read way too much into tshirts, that was merely a gesture from players which was used as a stick.... the whole thing is Terry's gotten different treatment, better press treatment and he's innocent. suarez is the foreigner who's guilty day 1. he's proved guilty by the report though some feel the ban was too long due to the evidence involved being one guy v another... suarez may feel he's very hard done by looking at how easy terry has had it...... but the fact remains the papers will eat this up and the sunday columns will be sweet reading.
Yea, fair point. but I don't care he did not shake his hand, I feel he has been set up. This will all blow over for the time being, apart from a bit of booing by the away fans. Am optimistic that the club is moving in the right direction, not really concerned by today, just sticking up for my team.
I am not standing up for anything United have done if you are curious baz, I am saying look at all that was laid before today and we needed to be a lot smarter about all of this. Is evra a ****? absolutely, but the club has to come first and our club is taking a battering. If you are ok with the club being tarnished then that is your perogative.
It's evra of course the whole story for me is fishy. Unfortunately, the case and verdict went against us, we did not appeal and therefore put our foot in mouth. We needed to smooth it over today and we did not. That is my big problem, we are letting all of this get better of our club and what we stand for is getting so warped now.
bazray, say what you want but come back monday having read the **** suarez has dropped on our club and keep the same line and then I'll tell you what i think of you.
What's going to happen? Nothing, today's news is tomorow fish and chip paper. We will move on from this, and perhaps come back stronger because of it(?) Suarez has been set up and actually seems a decent guy. Nobody really knows the truth.
whatever you say..... i don't agree it'll blow over..... if anyone wants to comment on this fine fergusons words "Ferguson added: "It created a tension, you've seen the referee didn't know what to do about it. "It caught him off guard. It was a terrible start to the game, a terrible atmosphere it created." Suarez refuses handshake Asked if the pre-match handshakes should have been scrapped for the game as it was last month when John Terry and Anton Ferdinand faced each other, he said: "That's a different issue altogether. "It's never been a problem really up until this situation regarding racism, it's never been a problem. "We've got to get our house in order in terms of fighting racism. It's an important issue in this country." How is it different when terry is protected... how? less embaressing to the fa if its two foriegn lads doing it. Again this and the bit about a riot are the only thing si might find anyway wrong in fergusons words. on evra Evra enthusiastically celebrated the win in front of Suarez at the end and Ferguson admitted: "He shouldn't have done that." Dalglish: Dalglish had also claimed he was not aware Suarez had refused to shake hands with Evra before the match. "I never knew he never shook his hand," he said. "I'll take your word for it. But I don't know. I wasn't there. I never saw it. That is contrary to what I was told. .... great the old i never saw it line, he's trotted that one out far too often i nthe past couple of weeks. .......................
Taken from a poster on Ja606, and about the most balanced thing I have seen written today: Shaking Evra's hand wouldn't make Suarez two-faced. But by the same token, not shaking Evra's hand shouldn't vilify him. That was Evra's mistake today - Evra should have remained the bigger man (he already was by offering the handshake) and not reacted to Suarez' snub. Everybody wants this whole issue put to bed. And let's be honest, that is in Suarez' best interests. That could have happened today. In light of today, I doubt that will be the case. But I do understand Suarez' reasons. He feels he is innocent of the charges against him, and from that perspective alone, we have to put club loyalties aside and at least try to understand this whole sorry mess from Suarez' perspective. That said, the naivety rests with Suarez in not realising that. Unless he doesn't care about what the ramifications of his own actions could be. But when such ramifications can be so damning in light of such flimsy evidence, the question has to be asked - why should he not defend himself, no matter how weak we may deem his defence to be? After all, we, the fans, should not ever be judge and jury when it comes to this. I hope this doesn't drive Suarez away from the English game, despite Ferguson's comment that he shouldn't wear the Liverpool shirt again. As a player he is an undoubted asset to Liverpool, and purely as a player, he is a joy to watch. I understand Liverpool, most notably the fans, closing ranks and defending him. I get that, I really do. Especially when, irrespective of him being found guilty of misconduct (pertaining to racial abuse), it would be hard to defend such an individual. I don't like how Liverpool are being vilified - from giving more front page press to individuals idiotic reactions (when there are examples of such from every club) - and how this is being used as a stick in which to justifiably have a go at the club (and the fans) overall. Put simply, the way Liverpool fans are reacting is the same as fans of other clubs would react, and we all have to realise that. It is one thing accepting that one can do nothing about a guilty verdict. It is another entirely refusing to accept that the guilty verdict was the correct conclusion to arive at. I, for one, am able to draw a distinction between the two. I just wish every one else was. But then by the very same token, if Liverpool fans would want everyone else to cut Suarez some slack, then they have to meet everyone else half way, and that is to cut Evra some slack also. Just as Liverpool fans can not accept the reasons against Suarez that led to him being found guilty, they surely can not remain 100% certain that Evra was lying. That, at least as far as I am concerned, has to work both ways.
No mate your missing the point. I couldn't give a **** about the handshake and I'm certainly not one who can be accussed of dancing to any tune Fungus blows out of his arse but the whole affair over the past few months has done nothing but damage to the clubs image. Now for Suarez to carry it on, even if he does feel hard done by is a sign of his absolute petulance and self centredness. The last thing any of us wanted was to spend the next ****ing week having this all over the telly and radio again because frankly most lads I talked to at the game today are sick to the back teeth of it. Now comes the fact that he couldn't even swallow his pride for the good of our image and to give us at least a bit of the moral high ground back...now he's done something that Fungus could only have had wet dreams about. Can you imagine how high and mighty he will be able to sound for months now? But more than anything else that is riling me about him is his selfish and pretty damn poor performance on the pitch (and I don't speak for any other fans other than myself but feel I can reflect the mood of a large proportion of away fans today). His head was up his arse and he played like it. He owes us big time for supporting him and his efforts today did not reflect that IMO. He can make it at Liverpool, he is good enough to be a really top quality striker but as of now he has to start repaying the faith of many good men (women and children). Time to grow a pair of bollocks and start thinking more of the club than himself As for the game today we were poor, I make no excuses for them because they didn't earn any today. A fair result without doubt except perhaps that the final score diidn't reflect how well utd played second half (or how poorly we did). Defensively pretty solid Agger and Skrtel are probably the only two who come out with much credit (and Pepe I guess). Up to half time we were pretty much according to plan and had limited utds chances. Thought Scholes and Wellbeck were excellent first half by the way. Start of the second half was obviously a killer but it was what happened after that that disappointed the most. A lack of pace, urgency and intelligent movement up front was frustrating. I appreciate that a calm head in these situations can often reap rewards as it almost did at the death, but a lack of creativity going forward and up top was all too evident yet again. Henderson and Gerrard both played poorly, Kuyt gave his all but was pretty toothless, Downing isn't fit to lace my 5 year old daughters football boots (need I mention again how much I think young Sterling should be given a game or two in his place) and Suarez was...^^ see above. Bellamy not starting was a killer and a mistake in my eyes. All in all a bad day at the office then Oh well...onwards and upwards(ish)
I've gievn suarez the benefit of the doubt,without ever feeling evr was 100% lying. I awaited the results of the panel and read the enitre report. I stated numerous times i thought 4 mathces was appropriate but as the club didn't appeal i fel suarez had to come back and pay the club back for all of this. i don't care really what the utd lads say i care about MY CLUB and i feel that suarez today let everyone down badly and to be frank he's got no class and worse has zero thought for the good of MY CLUB. I care and beacuse i care i've no time for this guy any more. He's had my support, he's lost it now. whatever ecuses or pointing toward so thers, media whatever... he had a choice of what to do and he took his choice. I'll not support the guy even if he goes and knocks in 20 gaols this year from here on in.
Again it's all subjective, no one really know's what happened, did Evra lie? Did Suarez think Evra pulled his hand away? With regards to Suarez's performance, yes it was very poor and hardly any surprise, the guy has been out for eight weeks, he must have had so much on his mind and to play well was almost an impossibility. When I saw the team sheet, I was really surprised to see Suarez starting and felt it was almost more of a statement than a footballing decision. It was as if Kenny was trying to say, we think he is innocent, he is fit, so he will play. A very silly decision in my opinion, it just poured fuel on an allready volatile situation. We could have started with Carroll up front, United fans would have not been so loud and up for it if Carroll was playing, Suarez could have came on after sixty mins, kept his head down and that would have been the end of it, there was nothing to gain from starting Suarez today. As I said no one really knows what goes on behind the scenes, as long as he is a pool player, I stand by him. If he chooses not to shake Evra's hand, fine.
In fairness if he knocks in 20 goals this year I'll start to think he's repaying his debt a bit But essentially I agree with you wholeheartedly MITO And i can't believe I've just posted my match report on the banter thread too many beers and tears that
In all fairness I'm sick of reading everyone's opinion on it... I'm just happy we beat you convincingly with no dodgy decisions no penalys or such like, and showed you up as the average side that you are..
