Lucaas. Thats what I was refering to. Miguel touched the ball thus making Suarez on-side. These are the rules even if Man United fans say otherwise.
While the first goal may have been given offside, the second certainly wasn't. When Suarez was in an offside position (the first phase) he wasn't interfering with play, distracting a player or otherwise. When the ball is actually played to him, he's onside, so the goal stands. The first goal I would understand as being given offside. It's like, as someone else stated, when a player blocks the view of the keeper as a shot comes in, and the ball ends up in the net. Said player doesn't touch the ball, but he's interfering because he prevents the keeper from seeing the ball, just as Suarez's presence arguably led to the defensive panic and subsequent error. A good example is Arteta's goal against us last year at Goodison. Yakubu is stood directly in front of Reina in an offside position as the shot comes in. He even has to move to get out of the way of it. That goal stood too, which makes me wonder whether linesman are only reacting to the player contacting the ball itself and not looking at other factors. It all happens so quickly that they probably only pay attention to where the ball is passed to and where the receiver was when it was played. Edit: Just seen the posts above. I'm not sure whether the defender controlling the ball signals a new phase of play. For example, let's say you were in an offside position, and the ball is played to you but intercepted by a defender. If you then chase him down and challenge him for the ball, you'd still be offside, having become active from an offside position. If you don't challenge him and he passes the ball away, then the phase ends.
Thats the reason why it was given. As I've stated, the defender touched the ball thus making Suarez on-side in the eyes of the linesman even if he was blocking the view of the keeper. I don't know whether it was Bill Shankly or Brian Clough when asked about offside said ''That if a player isn't interfering with play, then something is wrong as he should be''.
As I've just explained above (I edited my post) the defender controlling the ball doesn't suddenly mean he's onside.
How many pages has it been since the discussions on the Arsenal "offside" dilemma started? Speaking of Arsenal, most of them seem pretty adamant of getting a result tonight. If they play anything like Saturday they will get bulldozed al over the pitch.
They didn't play all that bad, it was like us with Stoke except Hertha were better on the counter. You can tell BVB missed Gotze though.
Dont be like that. After all it would mean he would have to stop posting on football topics altogether
Hey mancy manc mancs!! Has Giggs been getting abuse at three matches he's been given a run out at? Please tell me the slutty man whore has been on the receiving end of some quality songs and chants...
Most of the abuse Giggs will get will be in the second half of the season. However October 15th will be the beginning of it when United visit Anfield and the KOP taunt him. Rooney will be delighted that someone else apart from him is getting abuse. And Michael Owen may not make the bench, so the Liverpool fans need someone else to pick on. Thank god Giggs made a tit out of himself and gave the Liverpool fans a stick to beat him with.
Not necessarily. As has been pointed out, Miquel took a very poor first touch. If that first touch was due to pressure from Suarez then he was offside. Whether it was or not is a debate that will never end, and only Miquel and Suarez will ever know for sure
Swarbs. What in the name of sweet jesus are you on about? You're only arguement is that Suarez was marking Miguel and it was Suarez presence that forced Miguel into the mistake. Miguel had another option, he could have booted the ball out for a throw. How is it that you have failed at any time to mention this? In your mind it would have to be the Liverpool players fault. The fact is and these are the rules, the last player to touch the ball was an Arsenal player, therefore making the Liverpool player on-side. As for the second goal, we know the rules regarding phases and Suarez may have been off-side in phase one, and on-side in phase two, therefore he was clearly on-side. The off-side rule in itself is complicated and needs to be simplified.
They aren't the rules though. So you're saying that if I'm a defender and somebody plays a through ball to a guy who is in an offside position and I get a toe to it, the guy who was offside can now run on to this ball and score? No, he can't. He was offside when the original ball was played, and that doesn't change just because a member of the other team has touched it. Even if I poked it directly back to the keeper, the offside player couldn't try to challenge him. The only grey area in this is whether Suarez was adjudged to have interfered with play, which on this occasion he wasn't. Another time he might have been.
