The official all things terrorism thread

So he's either an unlucky bugger who keeps getting charged with things he didn't do or he has Perry Mason as his lawyer...

 

Well said Fan what's happened you had your minerals. You can add the financial crisis of 11 years ago and its repercussions globally, particularly in Europe as well as austerity here. Historically the rise of popular far right sentiment has coincided with recessions and times of financial hardship.

EDIT: And the inability of a growing community of immigrants to integrate within the larger community. Isolationism doesn't help, how do they expect to get others to understand them if they can't meet them half way. I believe that needs to improve.

 

Were the gang of "Asians" that abducted and killed a 15 year old boy on that list ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...fter-abducting-and-killing-boy-15-423545.html

 

So 5% of the UK commit more terrorist murders than the rest of the 95% combined ?


But Stephen Lawrence.

 

Tbh there are folk you have decent conversations with and folk you don't. Joe is a good lad

The integration of migrants is a fascinating thing for me, being a migrant, and the talk about half way is something I could go on about from my own experiences growing up. My personal conclusion is it's not migrants inability to integrate

 

I'd disagree with that. I think we have covered this before, imho that is why you see some migrants clustered into certain areas, albeit some will be geographical reasons ie ports, but others choose not to integrate for one reason or another.

I remember once someone telling me in Gibraltar, how the Asian community were not integrating, they keep themselves to themselves. No i have no way of knowing if that is true, if it is then they are not integrating, again there may be reasons behind it.

Also i don't just pick out Asians, I include Brits too, they were doing exactly the same and failing to integrate into the local Spanish communities. The government even had to invest money to encourage them to go to language schools etc. They were setting up their own little British bolt holes that didn't have the slightest Spanish feel to them. One of those places still exist actually, it's called..........Benidorm.

Migrants, especially Brits, try to turn places into a home from home, that is not integration into the local communities, especially if the numbers doing it become excessive.

One link of thousands i could give in way of example;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/europe-news

 

Nit picking ... Genghis Khan remains the daddy...

 

Another article to add to my above comment, slightly amusing, where Brits don't integrate, and yes, it refers ton Benidorm as i did above, this was only published in September last year!

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2018/9/4/the-british-are-failing-to-integrate-in-spain

 

Course they have an agenda. But so does Si.

 

I find this topic fascinating. And with my day today I wouldn't be doing it justice

I do think the ethnicity can dictate my views on this topic, a sort of mentality of certain groups of people.

 

I think my ethnicity would also be right in dictating my views on the mentality of certain groups of people. By that i mean Brits in Spain or otherwise known as Benidorm. I certainly would get no satisfaction from hiding from the fact, that the Brits were lazy and couldn't even be asked to learn the language. I sometimes wonder if other ethnicities would be so forthright about their own. Im sure it's not just a British problem, albeit a toned down version ie no beer belly brigade.

 

When I said ethnicities I included all, black, white, brown etc. I would also include class background too.

So just an example, albeit not maybe a good one. I think Pakistani folk who came to Britain from a village in Pakistan are totally different in Outlook than those who came from a town. Further complicated if it was mirpur, Lahore or Karachi.

 

My agenda is disproving your victimhood and spurious claims that right wing terrorists are more of a threat than Islamic terrorists.

From a group of only 5% of the population to cause more deaths from terrorist atrocities than the remaining 95% is horrendous.

Your claim that right wing terrorists are even close to killing as many people as the Islamists is laughable.

The deaths from Islamic terrorists in the UK in the last 15 years is in the hundreds .

You would struggle to count the number of Muslims killed by right wing terrorists on one hand in that time frame.

You are either completely ignorant or you are purposely trying to push a fake victimhood narrative .

There are 19 non Muslims for every Muslim yet Muslims carry out more terrorist murders in the UK .

No matter how you spin it , that is absolutely shocking.

 

Where did i state a difference between black and white?

For what i remember i said British

 

Not according to new stats. The threat of right wing is bigger. See dulls link from earlier.

Right wing doesn't just focus on Muslims. And can include non whites.

 

Didn't say you did. I'm saying ethnicity can dictate a person's mindset.

I was clarifying my earlier comment

 

Your statistics are fundamentally flawed Si ... your right wing terrorists are not a small proportion of the 95% non Muslim population ... they are, more accurately, a much larger percentage of that element of the population that holds very right wing vuews ... happy to help

 

I have to disagree. Everyone has to take some responsibility for it, you can't just say the immigrant population particularly muslims play no part - it's precisely the mindset that's so off-putting to reasonable people. The problem with the rise of the far right is a complex one and requires an all-encompassing solution. I've said this before - you'll always have fanatics, but when you talk about the rise of any ideology so that it becomes a significant proportion or even a majority, it's the indoctrination of the average man or woman that's the real threat. And if migrants don't open themselves up to the indigenous population, don't engage AND MOST IMPORTANTLY don't involve themselves in local customs as best they can, then sorry they ARE part of the problem. And I'm not just talking about reaching out so others better understand your traditions, culture, religion etc, I'm talking about also migrants taking an interest in the indigenous population's tradition, culture, religion etc. That's what I mean by involve. I was listening to a radio station the other day and a bloke was saying "look it's all very nice opening up mosques to open events, community fairs etc for people to come, it's a step forward, but why don't you come to pubs and socialise on "our turf" as well. You don't have to drink alcohol, but be a part of our community just as much as wanting us to be a part of yours." Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. This is just an example and there others. You might get some resistance from people with pre-conceived prejudices, but you might just get a bit more respect and integration from others... and that will grow.

It's not all isolationism everywhere btw, there are many places in this country where migrants have integrated better and are continuing to - areas in the West Midlands, Manchester, North West London, parts of East London but there are others such as Bradford, Keighly, Blackburn that don't. And it's no surprise the communities that are stronger, that have better harmony, are the former, and the ones with the greater problems are the latter. Please note I'm not saying the rise of the far right is solely down to this, but the fanatics' job is made a fck of a lot easier because of it.

Btw another thing to add to your list is the constant drip drip drip of islamophobic/immigrant comments in mainstream media headlines and from Tory politicians that you simply wouldn't get away with if they were talking about another religion/demographic. Sensationalism and scaremongering about the apparent threat posed by Muslims is also widespread. These help to create an atmosphere in which far right views can flourish. Here are just a few from popular tabloid papers "UK mosques fundraising for terror", “Muslim vote could decide 25 per cent of seats”, "Muslim Plot to Kill Pope", "Muslim schools ban our culture", "Muslim thugs in knife attack", "BBC puts Muslims before you", "Muslim Loonies Hijack Elections", "Muslims tell us how to run our schools".

You can add all that to your list

 

Good points and this is a true story.

My Mother was a housing manager for the council. She told me that their workers seen first hand and always talked about the reluctance, of most Asian families, to integrate into society. One day she was showing two asian blokes and an asian female around a potential new property for them. It was in South Shields, which has a big asian community. However, this particular property was on the outskirts near the hospitals, which didn't have many asians living there. When she asked what they though about the property, the Asian guy who could speak English asked his mate what he thought and the guy just dropped his head and muttered 'Too white'

My Mother said she knew straightaway that it had slipped out and she just pretended that she never heard it because she was taken aback by that comment.