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The Official 2014 Australian GP Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Mar 5, 2014.

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2014 Turbo Revolution. All Change? Maybe?

Poll closed Mar 14, 2014.
  1. Sebastian Vettel

    4.2%
  2. Daniel Ricciardo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Kimi Raikkonen

    2.1%
  4. Fernando Alonso

    10.4%
  5. Kevin Magnussen

    4.2%
  6. Jenson Button

    6.3%
  7. Lewis Hamilton

    45.8%
  8. Nico Rosberg

    25.0%
  9. Romain Grosjean

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Pastor Maldonado

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Other (Oh yes...many will click here)

    2.1%
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  1. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    ASC, yes it's both, but it's the flow rate, not the total consumption, that's the issue here.

    EMSC, the flow rate varies depending on the engine map. If they were running above 100 kg/hour for the whole race then he'd have needed over 150 kg of fuel. As they turn the engine up and down though, presumably one of the turned up settings was regularly increasing the flow rate too much.

    BiL, from what I've read the same flow rate sensors were used in endurance racing, and shown to have something like a 1% error (Edit: 0.5% according to Silver above). If Ricciardo's flow rate never exceeded 101kg/hour, then they might have a case that it's within the expecting error of the FIA-supplied sensors, but you would expect the FIA to be aware of this, and have not pulled Ricciardo up on it unless it was beyond the accepted error margin.
     
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  2. EternalMSC

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    Fuel flow meter on car 3 was changed during parc ferme, they are in very very deep ****.
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

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    dunno. Why would a team carry more fuel than was the maximum they could use anyway?
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

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    Doesn't look good. What are the chances of both old and new units being faulty, when everyone else's was okay? May explain why they had more speed than everyone thought if they were getting extra bhp's from more fuel flow
     
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  5. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Interesting that both Mercedes had changes made to the "Caketin", yet Rosberg still had an issue with one of his during the race. Suspect that needs a redesign!
     
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  6. EternalMSC

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    So they could use it at a higher rate kg/hour? DH makes sense, they would need over 150kg of fuel to be running over 100kg an hour, so obviously they must have been turning it up and down in the race somehow.
    FIA sheet says the meter was changed or replaced during parc ferme...
     
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  7. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    ^^ Exactly that, Vettel's car was the original with no change, and Ricciardo's no. 3 seemed less faulty, us thinking it was progress.
    Anyhow I want an official conclusion.
     
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  8. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

    Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat Active Member

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    If other teams are investigated for the same reason then it's probably likely that they will use the same excuse if Red Bull do get away with it. Then if they (other teams) are penalised, there will be uproar.
     
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  9. EternalMSC

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    [video=youtube;bg51cF_JnuM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg51cF_JnuM[/video]

    1:09, didn't notice that happened infront of Vettel.
     
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  10. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Or a mechanic not to whack a wheel against it! (or Rosberg has his wheels pointing straight at a pitstop!)
     
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  11. EternalMSC

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    Glad it wasn't just me who noticed that, he came in and parked it like he was at tesco's.
     
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  12. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That was deliberate. At his first stop he parked straight and struggled to get away cleanly as the Red Bull box was too close, so he radioed in saying he'd stop at an angle to get a cleaner get away. And whilst the mechanic did hit the caketin, needing three replacements in a weekend isn't too great. Nobody else had the issue.
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

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    Fell asleep. They disqualified him?

    First race... first result changed after the event. :(
     
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  14. EternalMSC

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    Smart move then, I take that back. Makes sense now, ta.
     
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  15. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Longest DSQ ever!
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    That's what she said.
     
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  17. EternalMSC

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  18. 51LV3R8RR04

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    Seems RBR have demanded the FIA to test it again.
     
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  19. EternalMSC

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    The F1 Times ‏@F1Times 8m
    Not expecting a decision any time soon on Ricciardo. FIA want to conduct further tests to ensure their data is correct. #F1

    DSQ is coming I reckon, further testing can only mean it's because a big decision is coming. Maybe wrong though.
     
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  20. 51LV3R8RR04

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