its obviously very difficult for me to convey exactly what i witnessed this weekend but had you been there i'd imagine you'd feel exactly the same way about arsenal football club and its fans as i now do, whether fair or not
Can't say I've noticed it about Arsenal fans, the inside of the stadium is one of the blandest experiences I've ever had though. 360 degrees of pure monotony.
Absolutely, it's like a library in that place at times! I think their fans are the worst in the premiership for showing support! Like you I've never had any hassle with them, most of the ones I've come across wear suits to go to games! ILD OTBC
You think that's bad? What about the Spurs fans all calling for 'Arry's head! It beggars belief, it really does. It's an egotistical London thing, I lived with a Chelsea fan for a couple of years and I'm just glad I wasn't around him when they beat Barcelona! All the big London clubs' fans are a mix of suits from the Square Mile and working classes. What you do have to remember is people in London are very used to confrontation and watching their backs so I wouldn't say these guys were out of order saying things like that, they were probably trying to stop you getting a kicking - and as for the bribery stuff that was obviously just banter. Sounds to me as though you both just got a taste of London.
Crap bribes then as we had two penalty shouts waved away as well as countless fouls not awarded to us. I'm not bothered what they think to be honest. We deserved to win the game and had we got the penalty where Martin was tugged down, we probably would have done. They should look closer to home, their defence was shocking. Countless times we go through, Jackson danced through them and should have scored. Talksport said we should have won and that we had two decent shouts for a penalty. I'm afraid wenger has passed his poor excuses and attitude down to some of the fans and the 'old guard'. Johnson by no means meant that stamp, Sagna saying he did is disgusting. Johnson was just running when he slid underneath him.
i spend quite a bit of time in london - i know how it works. i'd always found arsenal fans to be up their own arses but this was on a level i'd never witnessed from anyone about anything before! and it was definitely not 'just banter'. i wish it had have been, but banter doesn't lead to people being arrested (not me, i hasten to add)
completely agree mate in fact, i wouldn't be surprised to see sagna brought before a disciplinary hearing for bringing the game into disrepute
Having just seen his team throw away the guarantee of 3rd place and a Champions League place, do you really expect Wenger to be all smiles and good humour. In his post match comments he specifically said how well he thought City had played. Nor did he accuse Johnson of deliberately stamping on Sagna. When a guy shows the sort of passion that everyone criticises managers for NOT showing, you start dishing it out to him! You really ought to start giving the guy some credit. Having lost two such talented players as Fabregas and Nasri just before the start of the season, Wilshere to a pre-season injury, three out of four of his first choice defenders for most of the season, and then, with the weakest Arsenal team for some years, still to be in touching distance of 3rd spot, is some achievement. Sour grapes to me.
sorry robbie but you're missing the point. love him or loathe him, alex ferguson shook hands in a dignified manner with roberto mancini after their match the other night, even though they'd had a touchline spat! if you can't lose graciously its unlikely you'll win graciously either. wenger is like a child who has been told he can't have any more haribo and its pretty embarrassing to watch someone as old and experienced as him behave like a baby on such a regular basis. oh, and he DID suggest that the leg break was intentional, he just worded it more carefully than sagna did. i think he's done a pretty good job this season, wenger, considering the mess they were in at the start of the season, but that doesn't excuse him being a total div towards our or any other clubs manager. its not exactly the first time he's done it, is it...?
Have to agree, I was very surprised when I saw that. Win, lose or draw against anybody you should always approach the opposition in the same way after the game. I would imagine Brendan Rodgers and Lambert would always give a handshake with a kind word.
totally agree about how well mancini has done! however, of course fergie is a bad loser, but he gave mancini respect after the final whistle - wenger very rarely has ever done this to an opposition manager.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I have never, not even once, seen Paul Lambert fail to come out onto the pitch and join the players in clapping the fans at the end of a game, whether home or away, win or lose. He would never, ever be so direspectful as to offer a limp, pathetic handshake without even looking at the guy who's hand he is supposed to be shaking like Wenger did which is yet another reason why we should all be so immensely proud to have a guy like him at the helm rather than the bad loser, whinging Frenchman with selective eyesight and memory that the Gooners have. When they are winning and doing well Wenger can be the most charming guy imagineable but when things go wrong he turns into a complete arsehole, plain and simple. That's definitely a sign of weakness as far as I'm concerned and no wonder he is so disliked the length breadth of the country.
Agreed, lambert conducts himself in a way to make all proud. I thought he was superb on goals on Sunday and when he spoke, everyone stopped to listen. Everyone agreed with almost everything he had to say. Chris Powell was also fantastic I thought, seems a top bloke. And what an achievement for him this season, a complete overhaul seldom works out so quickly.
ILD Totally agree about him on GoS, thought he was awesome, as was Powell like you say. There appears to be a new breed of young manager with a very similar philosophy to our own starting to make a big impression on the game - guys like Rogers, McDermott, Martinez, Adkins, Hughton, Karl Robinson - and it's really, really refreshing. What is also good is that a lot of the dinosaurs who somehow seem to keep ending up with jobs on the management merri-go-round - guys like Rodent, Strachan, Reid, Megson, Robson et al - appear to have been put to seed and will struggle to find work any higher than League One. And what is even better is that while we have one of the very best of the new breed that lot down the road are stuck with one of the dinosaurs
The end-of-game handshake is a meaningless symbol; everyone knows it, Wenger included. Just as the team handshakes before a match are meaningless. If they meant anything, you wouldn't get incidents like the Suarez/Evra non-handshake, or the FA "cancelling" the ritual at the start of the recent QPR/Chelsea game to avoid the same thing happening between Terry and Ferdinand. It is so typical that people invest these meaningless rituals with such huge importance, and typical of the football authorities that they attach importance to such trivia rather than the substance -- as witness the so-called "Respect" campaign.
never seen the point in the pre-match handshakes but after the match i think its important. football is still just a game at the end of the day, no matter how much money and god-knows what else revolves in and around it. if a clubs manager, the man at the top, who the players all have to respect, hasn't got the dignity to shake a fellow managers hand after a game of football they need to grow up and learn to behave properly. its hardly a surprise the players behave so appallingly when their own manager cannot do it.
