OK when I was younger Pool was my 2nd team. So my view of the decline...Suarez if he stays is stood player. I suspect he is like our Sess very good just behind a quick striker. Sess playing behind a lightening quick Frazier Campell provides defences with nightmares. Suarez is class but I do not think Caroline is the guy to play with him. A broadsheet a few months ago commented that Caroline Wass a medieval battering ram whereas football today with tackling almost verboten is about the rapier and good first control. Dare I say Torres would be great with Suarez. You have to score goals and nobody in your team is scoring, Gerrard would score of course but he seems injured. you really hammered Arsenal but could not score, it was tight against us and we wanted it more and Campbell/Bendtner were better than your forwards although Bellamy was your mom, why was he taken off. Almost
After the Hodgson era, the club was declining, not winning, poor performances, unrest amongst fans, low confidence. We could hve brought a young European manager in but it would have taken them time to sort things out and bring the club back together. There was only one man who could have made an immediate impact and bring this club back together and the fans on board and that was Kenny. We should be thanking him for at least getting us back on track and while we may not have statistically have done much better than at the same point last season, we can all see the improvements - better performances, unity amongst fans, we now have some hope of a brighter future, a strong bench and foundation to build up on, won a trophy, still in the FA Cup. I don't think Kenny was a long term choice for the owners, but he did what Roy was supposed to do which was to steady the ship. Whatever happens now, at least we have a FOUNDATION thanks to Kenny and the new owners. Not sure how long Kenny will last but at least the next manager has a good young squad with good owners. We have to remember that it takes time. We can't expect to be challenging for the title after one year of investment. Teams like Chelsea and Man City needed time as well and we don't even have their level of resources!! I am definately disappointed that we blew our chance of getting 4th (not mathematically over) because we have got the players (we still need more!) and we played so well for the first half of the season and we deserved so much more. Players need time to adapt to playing at a big club like Liverpool, new tactics, new area etc.
Not a massive difference between Hodgson/ Dalglish. Following not from me, but it did surprise me. May of been mentioned already but not reading 7 pages. "After 27 games of last season they had accumulated just 39 points. That includes all of Hodgson's 'appalling' tenure. This season they've played 27 and accumulated just 39 points. All played under Dalglish after having spaffed circa £100,000,000 on average s****. The club's not moved forward an inch under the little t*** yet he escapes any criticism whatsoever. "
I couldn't agree more with what you've said. last night we had supposed fans calling for Dalglieh's head and actually saying that they would rather seek us playing poorly and collecting points. Now I accept that we were all upset by the performance and we would all like to see us higher in the table. I also accept that this board gives us a 'free space' in which to air our frustrations and dissapointments. But we do have to accept that we are well and truly a work in progress. Now I am really glad that the project has been started. We have played some of the most attractive football that I have seen a Liverpool side play for years. With injuries (Lucas and Gerrard) and off-the -field problems (Suarez) we have not been able to put our first choice starting 11 on the field all season. Add to that the problems Downing, Carroll, Kuyt and Adam have had with fitness and form and you can see why we are in the position we are. Note, I'm not even thinking of the consequences of our woodwork attraction or our inability to put away penalties. When you consider those factors then our present league position bears testament to the progress that we have made. I firmly believe that we are at the start of something really big. We have to stay with it. We have to add yet more quality to our squad to give us the options that can cope with adversitites. If I am right and this 'project' is successful then by the end of it I doubt that the squad will look anything like what it does now. For a final bit of comfort, think about this. We lost to a workman-like Sunderland side who were playing close to their optimum whilst we played poorly.
Sunderland were rubbish as well That was one of the worst matches in recent memory for a neutral We both deserved 0 points
I agree with this. However, I am not overly disappointed about not getting fourth as I didn't think we would at the start of the season. What I am disappointed about is the lack of fight for fourth. But, given the way we have been playing most of the season and the number of chances we create, added to that the number of times we have hit the woodwork or missed a penalty, I am pleased with the progress. As for Kenny, as long as there are signs of improvement then he should stay in charge as long as he wants to. He has just turned 61, Fergie is still managing at 70 and the late Sir Bobby Robson managed into his 70s too, why not Kenny? Not saying he should be given a ten year contract, just that we should see were we go and, as Kenny says, take it one game at a time.
I can't base this on anything but my own feelings. I don't think that Kenny will stay on as manager after the end of his contract. If his re-building is successful then I think he'll believe that he has done his job. If it doesn't then he will believe that he has failed.
Fair enough if that is the case but my point is merely that none of us know the future. He certainly does not deserve to be removed right now, nor is that the Liverpool way, so lets just see where we go from here.
It's strange that opposition fans seem to think we pin our team on Carragher and Gerrard still. This season, they've had around 15-20 league appearances between them. Carragher is no longer starting XI is everyone is fit, and perhaps even 4th choice behind Coates when it comes to CB. Gerrard would be first XI, but he's been out for at least 50% of our games, and we hardly struggle without him (apparently we're yet to win this season when he starts.)
We also lost two of our most important players; one for the season after just twelve league games - Lucas; and the other for a quarter of the season - Suarez.
I am not Kenny's biggest fan as a manager but I think we should give him at least another season to take us where we should be. A club like ours should be playing champion league on a regular basis. The Carling should be viewed as a stepping stone to better things.
Your right, that should be our aim but it is also the aim of five other clubs that have not had to deal with the bottom being ripped out from underneath them by previous owners. The closest thing to that would be Man Utd with the Glazers but with them being a very successful team already along with having a very good squad, a very big stadium and the good fortune of a £80m windfall for one of their players, it is easy to understand why the ownership issues have not effected them half as much as it did us. Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham have all had financial backing for a few years and Arsenal, like Man Utd, have a 15 year plus structure in place! In other words, it is not a given right to be in the Champions League, you have to earn it and it isn't as easy to do as say.
If Kenny feels he is not doing the job he will step down, we don't need to worry about him clinging on to the job, he loves Liverpool and will always do the right thing by us.
People are entitled to their ****ing opinions- the ones who say people who question management must be plastics are laughable. I forever question our government and yet I still love my country. It is the same for Liverpool. Why should the management be untouchable? Kenny is a legend but he isn't one of us, he is paid a fortune ( same wages as SAF) to manage the team and people scraping together money to pay for such high ticket prices have a right to an opinion.
As you say people are entitled to their opinions. As far as I am aware, nobody in the last few days has been saying Kenny is in-violet. We are however forwarding a counter-argument to what we see as a knee-jerk reaction.
