I'm not calling for Kenny's head. I think honestly, we all accept this is a multi-year project to get us competing and in 2/3 years we'll be significantly better than we are now. It's the way I prefer it unlike City and Chelsea's buying titles approach (embarrasing to watch as a football fan). He's upgraded the entire squad (our bench actually has options unlike Poulson/Ngog/Soto/Jova) in 18 months for 38million total spend and reduced the wage bill. We play, generally, better football than we used to and our defense is as solid as its ever been. Lots of positives. But realistically, some things need questioning: Substitutions always seem late - Adam was having a shocker from 5mins in, why leave him on for 70mins? What are Gerrard and Carroll going to do in 20mins? What would Downing be able to do in 10mins? Teamsheet is different every week bar the back 5 - how can new signings bed in when they play with different people each time? Signings look ok on paper. Adam showed promise last season much like Downing and Carroll. Why can't he get the most out of them? Players only seem motivated for the big games and that's why we put on performances like we did against Arsenal then struggle against Sunderland. 'Prolonged faith' in players who clearly are on a bad run of form. Why be so stubborn because of their price tag? Drop them. He should get another season...but he'll be watched closely. Interesting to see how our summer transfers will pan out as they should reflect John W Henry's thoughts on kenny. Passive and low key suggests he's only just head above water.
For ****s sake lads we're all reds. Kenny had half a season after Hodgson and took us to a respectable finish based on good results and good football.In this his first full season back hes won us our first cup in 6 seasons and could possibly win another in the FA Cup and we've already qualified for europe. Anyone who thought 4th(or above)was not being realistic,we jangled between ourselves during the summer and more or less agreed we thought we'd challenge for 4th and maybe win a cup. Well we won a cup(and maybe two come May),give Kenny a chance.
I think our team has been, way before Kenny, back to the Rafa days ( and I was a HUGE rafa guy), we have been built on cup football. we have not gotten things right in the league, even in the 2nd place season. We bought players that should have been good in the league but they have not been, should have been prem proven but have taken steps backwards( maybe the size of the club holding them back?) but we always make a good run in cups, not in the league. Not sure if this is a mentality that has set in, but we need to figure out what we are lacking in the league ( other than goals) and fix it so we are challenging again. I know the target was 4th and we are still kind of there ( barely) but we haven;t even reached the magic number to avoid relegation and we are some 27 points off 1st!!!!! I want to challenge for titles and we are way behind on that still. Carling cup I thought would instill us with the winning mentality but Sunderland was a big slap to reality. PMK did you catch MLS opening kickoff? I missed it due to tourney coaching but it was Montreal, should have been good.
Yes. Liverpool have 1 more point this season than last after 27 games. Hodgson inherited the Benitez shambles and was given no support. KK has been treated like a god (which he was as a player) but he is no good as a manager. The fact that Liverpool think that finsihing 4th (which they now will not get after the unlucky loss to Arsenal) would represent a good season speaks volumes. Look at the money he has wasted. Sorry but he has to go.
It's the only thing you do, you're no ****ing good for anything else, you have **** all knowledge about football, you've made that obvious over time (like most gooners). So you can't talk football, and I doubt we'd want you around for your looks, so court jester, is all you're good for.
99% of the time I agree with you PMK but on this one I dont, we should be getting AT LEAST 4th place, with where we finished for last season and £36m net spend in the window.We would be AT LEAST 4th if he had invested in the correct players in the summer, we didnt, we should have signed both Cazorla and Mata who would have both come,we didnt we got average Brits,and it sint Comollis fault who scouted mainland europe for 6 months, only for us to sign noone from mainland europe The tactics are poor, he doesnt know how to score goals, he ( Kenny ) doesnt know what to do,Adam plays to much Bellamy doesnt play enough, the subs are far far too late Rafa wasnt perfect but a far better manager,Rafa with money would have us going in the right direction , but Rafa wouldnt even be my first choice, but with Kenny as manager we will stagnate, I have no doubt,and I will be very worried in the transfer window with Kenny in charge
Not one person has mentioned Steve Clarke....why? Kenny and Steve were given 3 year contracts and work as a 'team'. Steve is one of the best defensive coaches in the game - and it shows. It also shows that not enough attention is given to coaching our players how to score goals, and at the end of the day if you don't score you don't win. Also Kevin Keen? He's supposed to be a coach, but I'm not convinced about this guy one bit. Didn't he come from West Ham who got ****ing relegated! I want Kenny to given more time as this was a long term project, and to think we were going to finish top 4 in our first season with a new team and a new team of management was far too optimistic. Especially the fact that City and Spurs are now decent outfits. In recent years it was a clear top 4, and even when having a bad season we'd clinch a spot. It's not like that nowadays. We just have to look at the positives for now, financially and the overall squad. If issues aren't addressed in the summer then ****'s gonna hit the fan
Not a lot of injuries but injuries to key players is surely more damaging? Our main two players where missing for a large chunk of the season in Gerrard and Suarez, plus our most important player has been injured for most of the season - Lucas
Fair point. Who do you think should be dropped with immediate effect and what do you expect him to do different at this stage of the season?
I'm sure Kenny has the balls to say to the owners that they have screwed up, if they have been responsible for whatever appointments that Kenny feels has not worked, and I'm sure he'll be pointing out what needs to change, and as long as the Kop keep singing his name, the board will have to seriously consider his viewpoint. Now I and others maybe wrong, and Kenny may well have had a full say in all decisions made, but I seriously doubt that the owners would have fully gambled on giving full control to a manager that has not been in the job for so many years. I think it may also be the case that Kenny has let cracks show, maybe refused to do any transfers in January, and is letting the current structure live and die by it's own merits. As Sky points out, Steve Clarke is doing good work at the back, but going forward is just plain rubbish, is that down to Kevin Keen? It's all speculation, but as a supporter, I am willing to say "Oh well we have made progress, as slow as it is, lets see what happens over the summer" From the owners to half of the team, everything is new and finding their feet this season. Hopefully everyone involved is professional, and all will do what is right for the club. It's not simply a case of "In Kenny I trust", more of how it should be, "In Liverpool I trust"
From the owners to half of the team, everything is new and finding their feet this season. Hopefully everyone involved is professional, and all will do what is right for the club. It's not simply a case of "In Kenny I trust", more of how it should be, "In Liverpool I trust" Totally agree with you there
we are not good enough to win the prem Correct, knew that before the season started and infact we are not good enough for fourth Correct, knew that before the season started and i will be supprised if we finish in the top 10 the way we are going Really? A bit of a bad run and it all ****ed?
That would be too, with 2 "o"s. Why is it that the poorly educated ones always have the worst knee jerk reactions... pullin' your chain crazy, just pullin' your chain....
But now you are just talking desperate bollox. God's available at 90 quid a week, shall we get him too? How about Owen? I best he still plays like he is 22 years old still, doesn't he? Get a grip fella, you're making all the WUMs rub their hands in glee.
Keen was appointed mainly because he's mates with Steve. For me he's not a good enough coach, his record shows that. **** knows what he even does to be honest - even when he's in the dugout he looks like a pansy. We need a coach with a pair bollocks to give orders, not some nancy boy that can't even hold a conversation with his own wife. I'm not trying to shift the blame onto keen - but we need to look at the whole unit and not just Kenny as our setup is different to the majority of teams in the EPL. Kenny is the boss yes, but Steve is his partner. With numpty bollocks behind them two
Obviously some of us are redder than others.... Apparently some people did not read my post about treating the club like a family member, and not demanding their head on a plate, if they fail to perform.
