The Manager Thread...
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No none of those would come to this car crash, you need to think more outside the box.
Clutching at straws here people... BUT... and yes I know its 95% likely not to happen...
Estoril[edit]
On 10 June 2011, immediately after retiring, Silva was appointed director of football at Estoril. However, early into the season, he replaced Vinícius Eutrópio as manager,[6] with the Cascais team ranking tenth in the second tier.[7] His first game in charge was a 1–3 defeat at Penafiel,[8] and, after losing only three matches in 24, he helped the club return to the top flight after seven years, as champions.[9] He ultimately was chosen the league's Manager of the Year.[10]
Silva made his debut in the Portuguese top division on 17 August 2012, in a 1–2 away defeat to S.C. Olhanense.[11] Estoril overachieved for a second best-ever fifth place in the table, with the subsequent qualification to the UEFA Europa League, also a first. Highlights included not losing any of the games against Sporting Clube de Portugal (3–1 at home, 2–2 away[12]), and drawing at S.L. Benfica 1–1.[13]
On 23 February 2014, Estoril achieved an historic first time win at the Estádio do Dragão, the 1–0 victory being FC Porto's first home defeat since the 2–3 against Leixões S.C. in 2008.[14] He left his position on 12 May, after leading his team to the fourth position.[15]
Estoril[edit]
On 10 June 2011, immediately after retiring, Silva was appointed director of football at Estoril. However, early into the season, he replaced Vinícius Eutrópio as manager,[6] with the Cascais team ranking tenth in the second tier.[7] His first game in charge was a 1–3 defeat at Penafiel,[8] and, after losing only three matches in 24, he helped the club return to the top flight after seven years, as champions.[9] He ultimately was chosen the league's Manager of the Year.[10]
Silva made his debut in the Portuguese top division on 17 August 2012, in a 1–2 away defeat to S.C. Olhanense.[11] Estoril overachieved for a second best-ever fifth place in the table, with the subsequent qualification to the UEFA Europa League, also a first. Highlights included not losing any of the games against Sporting Clube de Portugal (3–1 at home, 2–2 away[12]), and drawing at S.L. Benfica 1–1.[13]
On 23 February 2014, Estoril achieved an historic first time win at the Estádio do Dragão, the 1–0 victory being FC Porto's first home defeat since the 2–3 against Leixões S.C. in 2008.[14] He left his position on 12 May, after leading his team to the fourth position.[15]
Everyone has said they want to keep Silva except you
Pattie just wants the job himself. His day job of selling non-existent streams isn't working out so well.
Ladbrokes latest odds on Marco Silva.. I checked this was right...
1/3 to still be in charge at Day 1 next season
9/4 to leave before that date...
!!!!!!!!!!!
Addition.. Interestingly, MS is not quoted in lists for the West Ham or Watford jobs but is favourite for the Saints job at 13/5. Surprisingly Rafa is a shorter price to leave Newcastle at 5/2... go figure..
1/3 to still be in charge at Day 1 next season
9/4 to leave before that date...
!!!!!!!!!!!
Addition.. Interestingly, MS is not quoted in lists for the West Ham or Watford jobs but is favourite for the Saints job at 13/5. Surprisingly Rafa is a shorter price to leave Newcastle at 5/2... go figure..
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Talk Sport have just reported that Pardew has been lined up for Sheff Wed... they were laughing saying give the man a chance in the semi final Carvahal hasn't lost yet !!
Fair point from Martin Samuel. Outperformed Silva
On January 3, when Paul Clement was appointed manager, Swansea were bottom of the Premier League. So were Hull City, on January 5, the day they recruited Marco Silva.
Clement was Swansea's third manager of the season, not including caretakers, and he got one good break. On the day he took charge, a Swansea team picked and managed by Alan Curtis won 2-1 at Crystal Palace.
So Swansea actually had 15 points by the time Clement took his first game. Even so, in steering Swansea to safety he has averaged 1.35 points per match; from 0.75 before.
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Paul Clement kept Swansea City in the Premier League as their third manager of the season
Silva has also done a decent job at Hull. Even so, he could not prevent their relegation on Sunday averaging 1.23 points in his 17 games in charge.
Paul Merson wasn't right to dismiss him, but he wasn't entirely wrong that a British coach could have done as well. Would Gary Rowett have kept Hull up, for instance? We will never know.
Yet while Silva has been linked with jobs at Southampton, Watford, West Ham — even Arsenal — Clement is tipped to take over at, well, nowhere. He was previously assistant manager at Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain after Carlo Ancelotti worked with him at Chelsea and rated him highly.
Yet now he's a Swansea man. That's his level. See if he can keep them up next year, too. And the year after. And when they finally get bored with him, or he slips up, he'll just be another failed British manager. Useless, aren't they? That's why they never get the top jobs. That's why they never get to work at Olympiacos or Sporting Lisbon. They're just not sophisticated like Silva.
And we return to Sam Allardyce's old chestnut. If he was Paulo Clemente, do you think he might have got a better offer this summer?
On January 3, when Paul Clement was appointed manager, Swansea were bottom of the Premier League. So were Hull City, on January 5, the day they recruited Marco Silva.
Clement was Swansea's third manager of the season, not including caretakers, and he got one good break. On the day he took charge, a Swansea team picked and managed by Alan Curtis won 2-1 at Crystal Palace.
So Swansea actually had 15 points by the time Clement took his first game. Even so, in steering Swansea to safety he has averaged 1.35 points per match; from 0.75 before.
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Paul Clement kept Swansea City in the Premier League as their third manager of the season
Silva has also done a decent job at Hull. Even so, he could not prevent their relegation on Sunday averaging 1.23 points in his 17 games in charge.
Paul Merson wasn't right to dismiss him, but he wasn't entirely wrong that a British coach could have done as well. Would Gary Rowett have kept Hull up, for instance? We will never know.
Yet while Silva has been linked with jobs at Southampton, Watford, West Ham — even Arsenal — Clement is tipped to take over at, well, nowhere. He was previously assistant manager at Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain after Carlo Ancelotti worked with him at Chelsea and rated him highly.
Yet now he's a Swansea man. That's his level. See if he can keep them up next year, too. And the year after. And when they finally get bored with him, or he slips up, he'll just be another failed British manager. Useless, aren't they? That's why they never get the top jobs. That's why they never get to work at Olympiacos or Sporting Lisbon. They're just not sophisticated like Silva.
And we return to Sam Allardyce's old chestnut. If he was Paulo Clemente, do you think he might have got a better offer this summer?
let's be honest though
llorente saved swansea so ****ing much
clement has done a good job though, but if they didn't have llorente, they'd be relegated instead of us
llorente saved swansea so ****ing much
clement has done a good job though, but if they didn't have llorente, they'd be relegated instead of us
He's missing a small point. The players who Silva identified and got.
Rowett wouldn't have got them and we'd have gone weeks ago.
Also clement had Llorente. Arguably they should never have been down the bottom.
Plus we were down there thanks to an England one.
Silva from the start and it's a different story.
Plus the biggest factor in our season was the preseason and subsequent running of the club in the first half of the season.
**** all to do with and English Manager versus a foreigner.
Things are rarely as simple as they seem and that's lazy journalism from Samuel who usually does better.
I disagree. There's nothing to suggest the away record would change and everything to suggest we'd get beaten by the big teams, he didn't have to play at home. I don't count pool we allus beat them
I agree. I mustve posted about 6 weeks / 2 months ago about how Clement was doing a better job than Silva.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/hull-city-offer-far-appealing-marco-silva-wants-stay-premier-league/
well it wont be MS, then...
hmm having said that, Ive never heard anyone say "we" in a sentence when talking about us, quite as much as MS.
well it wont be MS, then...
hmm having said that, Ive never heard anyone say "we" in a sentence when talking about us, quite as much as MS.
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I'm of the opinion his agent is gonna have a big say in things? I know it's a long shot! But if he thinks he can get some his players moves there's more chance if silva stays here? We do need players!
£47 million in parachute payments doesn't sound too bad. If they spend it.
Will the manager be there next season?
Unlikely. By embellishing an impressive record in Portugal and Greece Marco Silva’s haul of 21 points from 17 games in charge in East Yorkshire has made the Portuguese hot property. Southampton, Watford, West Ham United, Internazionale and Porto are among the many admirers of a manager who will meet the Allam family, Hull’s owners, this week to discuss his future before the final game at home against Tottenham Hotspur on Sunday. Silva, 39, arrived on a six-month deal in January with an option to extend it for 12 months but that clause seems unlikely to be triggered.
Which players will be sought after? Is there any chance they might stay?
Harry Maguire, the player of the season, has shone at centre-half and is much coveted, most notably by Newcastle United’s Rafael Benítez. Tellingly, Maguire is stalling on a new contract. Sam Clucas, impressive in midfield all season and reputedly not too far off an England call-up, could also depart along with Eldin Jakupovic, the goalkeeper, and left-back Andrew Robertson. Liverpool have wanted Robertson for some time and it seems Jürgen Klopp will now get his man. Much hinges on the identity of the next manager – and, indeed, Hull’s ownership – next season but no one expects Maguire or Robertson, in particular, to stick around.
Will that leave a squad capable of promotion?
No, most definitely not. Hull sold arguably their two best players – Robert Snodgrass and Jake Livermore for a collective £20m – in January and, of Silva’s eight signings, five came in on loan. With the loanees scheduled to return to their parent clubs, a squad which has been skinny all season looks skeletal.
Will there be money to spend?
Who knows? Hull will receive £47m in parachute payments next season and £38m in 2018-19 (had they been in the Premier League for more than a single year they would also have been due a third instalment of £17m, in 2019‑20) and they could raise a further sum in the region of £30m from potential player sales. But, and it is a big but, no one knows how much of it the Allams will be minded to spend. The owners, who are £7.7m in profit on player trading this season, want to sell up but assorted sets of negotiations, mainly with Chinese consortiums, have collapsed. This, remember, is a club which had only nine fit senior players available for a pre‑season training camp in Austria last summer.
Will the manager be there next season?
Unlikely. By embellishing an impressive record in Portugal and Greece Marco Silva’s haul of 21 points from 17 games in charge in East Yorkshire has made the Portuguese hot property. Southampton, Watford, West Ham United, Internazionale and Porto are among the many admirers of a manager who will meet the Allam family, Hull’s owners, this week to discuss his future before the final game at home against Tottenham Hotspur on Sunday. Silva, 39, arrived on a six-month deal in January with an option to extend it for 12 months but that clause seems unlikely to be triggered.
Which players will be sought after? Is there any chance they might stay?
Harry Maguire, the player of the season, has shone at centre-half and is much coveted, most notably by Newcastle United’s Rafael Benítez. Tellingly, Maguire is stalling on a new contract. Sam Clucas, impressive in midfield all season and reputedly not too far off an England call-up, could also depart along with Eldin Jakupovic, the goalkeeper, and left-back Andrew Robertson. Liverpool have wanted Robertson for some time and it seems Jürgen Klopp will now get his man. Much hinges on the identity of the next manager – and, indeed, Hull’s ownership – next season but no one expects Maguire or Robertson, in particular, to stick around.
Will that leave a squad capable of promotion?
No, most definitely not. Hull sold arguably their two best players – Robert Snodgrass and Jake Livermore for a collective £20m – in January and, of Silva’s eight signings, five came in on loan. With the loanees scheduled to return to their parent clubs, a squad which has been skinny all season looks skeletal.
Will there be money to spend?
Who knows? Hull will receive £47m in parachute payments next season and £38m in 2018-19 (had they been in the Premier League for more than a single year they would also have been due a third instalment of £17m, in 2019‑20) and they could raise a further sum in the region of £30m from potential player sales. But, and it is a big but, no one knows how much of it the Allams will be minded to spend. The owners, who are £7.7m in profit on player trading this season, want to sell up but assorted sets of negotiations, mainly with Chinese consortiums, have collapsed. This, remember, is a club which had only nine fit senior players available for a pre‑season training camp in Austria last summer.