The machines are taking over

[The Norton Cat]

i honestly thought this was the plan when we took our (failed badly) DoF approach...actively seek out players who fitted the profile the club wanted rather than always finding square pegs, or did i miss something along the way?

i do remember that most of the fails from that period in the clubs history seemed to stem from the fact that Mr Short had the proverbial taken out of him by most of the staff and our recruitment policy also seemed to be a 'jobs for the boys' scenario of using agents who were mates...i do not really have a problem with the 'new plan', nothing else has worked (quite often through a more lack-lustre approach than the plan itself i reckon) and the current regime appear to have a good hold on this idea as recruitment was all based on getting this backroom squad together for one straightforward reason and that is to get the club moving forward with one aim.

the above is quite possibly why many have reservations, plus a lot of us still prefer to see a manager who kicks a few arses when the time is right rather than 'well, let's analyse your recent performances, shall we?'...then proceed to tell the player he was completely ****e in the past three games and start telling him his job!!

I can respect the preference for an old fashioned type manager. I don't agree with it but I can respect it, unlike the unfounded sniping.

 

[samwise_new]

I can respect the preference for an old fashioned type manager. I don't agree with it but I can respect it, unlike the unfounded sniping.

i think there is room for both in all honesty, there is nothing wrong in taking a more modern approach and it would be stupid not to make use of all the tools available now, i mean in the days of 'shoot' and 'MOTD' being the only football on television bar the FA cup final and world cup games, stats seemed to be limited to who was higher in the league and how many goals scored...with sky/fifa came the multi camera angles, super high quality slow/stop motion replays, listing every ability and keeping track of every aspect of a players game, some might still find it a bit invasive and over critical while others accept it as a way to improve their game.

the old style manager is probably best suited to the lower divisions as a lot of players could do with that arse kicking at times, there is plenty of talent but some seem to lack the effort or the push needed to make the next step but once the higher reaches of the championship and the grail of the premier are reached, i think ego's will not allow a manger to 'talk down or shout' at them in quite the same way (and to this day i firmly believe this was, in part, the reason the peter ried squad fell apart so drastically) plus the mental transfer fees/signing on fees/wages many players get now means a club cannot really take a chance on having an unhappy recruit who gets a lip on and refuse to play as they still get paid (ALA Rodwell) and can seriously disrupt a squad.

 

[The Norton Cat]

i think there is room for both in all honesty, there is nothing wrong in taking a more modern approach and it would be stupid not to make use of all the tools available now, i mean in the days of 'shoot' and 'MOTD' being the only football on television bar the FA cup final and world cup games, stats seemed to be limited to who was higher in the league and how many goals scored...with sky/fifa came the multi camera angles, super high quality slow/stop motion replays, listing every ability and keeping track of every aspect of a players game, some might still find it a bit invasive and over critical while others accept it as a way to improve their game.

the old style manager is probably best suited to the lower divisions as a lot of players could do with that arse kicking at times, there is plenty of talent but some seem to lack the effort or the push needed to make the next step but once the higher reaches of the championship and the grail of the premier are reached, i think ego's will not allow a manger to 'talk down or shout' at them in quite the same way (and to this day i firmly believe this was, in part, the reason the peter ried squad fell apart so drastically) plus the mental transfer fees/signing on fees/wages many players get now means a club cannot really take a chance on having an unhappy recruit who gets a lip on and refuse to play as they still get paid (ALA Rodwell) and can seriously disrupt a squad.

I'd pretty much agree with all of that! Both approaches have their places. I just don't want to see us going back to the days of managers writing the team sheet out on the back of a cigarette packet.

 

[Draig]

I'd pretty much agree with all of that! Both approaches have their places. I just don't want to see us going back to the days of managers writing the team sheet out on the back of a cigarette packet.

If they succeeded then I would forgive them!

I'm not against the digital approach, I believe that the best old style managers did a similar thing but using their analogue gut calls.

I am just bemused by how, under whatever approach, we ended up with a team and performance like we did at Lincoln.

 

[John Wick]

Can Johnny 5 play up front?

 

[rooch 3]

If they succeeded then I would forgive them!

I'm not against the digital approach, I believe that the best old style managers did a similar thing but using their analogue gut calls.

I am just bemused by how, under whatever approach, we ended up with a team and performance like we did at Lincoln.

Against Lincoln, have you already forgotten the last 8 yrs mate.

 

[Draig]

Against Lincoln, have you already forgotten the last 8 yrs mate.

I only wish I could have forgotten! It is just that only the current owner that has a long term plan.