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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wed 6 June)

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  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member
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    Different Kinds of Losses by Mike Thornton

    With the hoo-ha at Aston Villa just now the words “losses” and “losing” are being bandied about willy-nilly by journalists and fans alike, with little understanding of what they mean.

    Many people are confusing FFP losses with the losses being talked about at Aston Villa and others are still confused why FFP losses are different to losses published each year in the Club Accounts.

    This tries to explain the difference.

    Simple Club Accounts
    Let me imagine a simple Club. It has the following incomes and expenditures per year:

    Turnover income
    (tickets, shirt sales etc) — £10

    Running costs — £5

    Academy Costs — £2

    Bank Balance — £nil

    Now buy a player
    Lets now add a player to the Club. We agree a transfer fee of £10 and agree to pay half of the fee in Cash immediately. We give the player a 4 year contract.

    Amortisation
    We need to add the cost of the player to our Club Accounts. Since we have agreed fees of £20 that is a cost to be taken off income to find profit or loss.

    However, this £20 buys us the player for 4 years and so the average cost per year is only £5.

    This is called Amortisation cost and is added each year for the next 4 years.

    Bank Balance
    Our Bank Balance started at Nil and then we had a Turnover Income of £10, which increased the balance, and also spent money on both running costs and Academy costs, which are taken out of the Bank Balance.

    Also, in the first year we took £10 from the Bank Balance to pay the 1st instalment of the transfer fee.

    Calculating Losses
    This chart shows the three different losses.

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    Accounts Loss
    The loss shown on the Club Accounts includes ALL costs and is a LOSS of £2.

    FFP Losses
    For FFP the Football League want to encourage clubs to spend on youth and so the costs of running the Academy are NOT included.

    Therefore, this example had a break-even FFP result.

    CASH Losses
    Since the amortisation used for the player purchase is over 4 years BUT the actual payments of CASH were over just 2 years there is a different CASH Loss.
     
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  2. ellandback

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    Excellent! This marks the end of my problem with inso......m.......n ...i...aaaaaaaaaa :emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep:emoticon-0113-sleep
     
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    Keep up Elland 3-1 England.<ok>
    FINISHED
     
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    was their ever any doubt.;)
     
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  8. Marcos Barber

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    Thanks for posting this Ell. I didn’t understand what appeared to be a bit of a scattergun approach to bringing in so many youngsters, maybe Rad is smarter than many of his detractors and that was his initial plan to get around FFP whilst still investing a sensible sum. In today’s gossip on the BBC, clubs are looking to buy Lascelles from Newcastle for £45 million <yikes> I remember him being decent but £45M? Never! When you consider that Terry probably cost Villa more to run than our whole academy it makes total sense, find a couple of gems worth a fortune and avoid ridiculous wages, I would do the same.

    Having said that, I think he also learnt a bit of a lesson because the first team fell well short and it wouldn’t have taken huge sums to compete. When he had his spat with the EFL over the way Wolves did it I thought it was all a bit embarrassing, in hindsight, maybe he was upset that he tried to do things to comply with FFP as would seem sensible if you read the rule book and has realised he may have missed a trick. I know nobody is signed yet but can’t help but think the American investment and the coaches and players we are linked with now is no fluke.

    I’ve already admitted I had never heard of Bielsa until last week but, reading all of the comments about him, totally understand why Rads would think it could be extremely shrewd. Get links to top quality loans like Wolves did and use the new investment to change the wage structure to really challenge. For certain, if plan B works AND plan A (youth) comes to fruition, along with the backing of our amazing support, Rads may need to spend a small fortune in eggs that he can pass around <laugh>
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

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    Just as I thought, no mention of a plan C :azn:
    This is probably best part of every season when everything is still possible
     
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    Talking about over priced players,stoke looking to buy Jordan Ibe for 12million off Wolves who only signed him about 2 weeks ago.He's a winger but has a terrible goal scoring record.Regards FFP yes I've seen before that buying players for the academy is a way around it,that the likes of City and Chelsea are exploiting,and I think that's Rads plan as well.Very clever,too clever for the likes of gloria to understand.;)
     
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    It’s ok, I’m sure you’ll have loads to moan about soon enough, in the meantime I’ll ponder what Plan C could be, enjoy the weather and cheer all of the British and Irish teams on in the World Cup <whistle>
     
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    Someone said we were after Maddison. Don’t know on what basis as he is off to Leicester for £20milllion.
     
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  13. Eireleeds1

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    I’m sure Ortas we’ll on top of a plan C. I wasn’t aware there was a rugby World Cup this year. Must check that out
     
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    Why would you be aware of any world cups when you never qualify. :emoticon-0172-mooni
    #footballscominghome
     
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    I’ll still tune in early July for the real funny or fun parts of it
     
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    It’s going to be one hell of a party after we win the final.
     
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    You’re usually awake by now. What’s gone wrong this morning
     
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  18. Chippy / Glory

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    Nothing...
    Looking forward to watching the3 lions in their last warm up game tonight when the second string show how good a squad this young hungry bunch picked on form and not big club hysteria are.
     
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    I hear Ireland,Scotland and Wales are having a BINGO round robin.Exciting times in the provinces.<laugh>
     
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  20. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Ireland history
    Football world cups won 0
    Rugby world cups won 0
    World wars won 0
    Terror campaigns won 0

    Very consistent
     
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