Whilst obviously market value is objective, the figures below are those that transfermrkt associate as value of first team players at each premier league club, so whilst I agree with you Ristac, that just analysing the cost of those players is not entirely accurate, the list posted by WJ still provides a reasonable perspective when compared to the list below. Obviously a combination of coaching philosophy and player suitability to style of play, together with team togetherness is also a factor, which is why Arsenal continue to perform so poorly, and Burnley despite being dull as dishwater have managed to maintain their presence in the Premier League for as long as they have. For us to compete with the the first 8 in that list on a match to match basis, we either need to be on top of our game, and the opposition to have a bad day or fail in one or more of those areas mentioned in the first sentence of this paragraph. For the remaining 11 teams, coaching, player attitude and style of play are the main difference between getting a positive result or not, together with a little bit of luck favouring one team or the other. please log in to view this image Manchester City £955.62m please log in to view this image Chelsea FC £898.20m please log in to view this image Manchester United £835.43m please log in to view this image Liverpool FC £814.05m please log in to view this image Tottenham Hotspur £633.60m please log in to view this image Leicester City £499.59m please log in to view this image Arsenal FC £483.30m please log in to view this image Everton FC £445.95m please log in to view this image Aston Villa £386.37m please log in to view this image Wolverhampton Wanderers £361.13m please log in to view this image West Ham United £255.38m please log in to view this image Brighton & Hove Albion £223.29m please log in to view this image Newcastle United £221.76m please log in to view this image Leeds United £220.28m please log in to view this image Southampton FC £216.18m please log in to view this image Crystal Palace £193.91m please log in to view this image Brentford FC £147.83m please log in to view this image Norwich City £133.47m please log in to view this image Watford FC £124.25m please log in to view this image Burnley FC £114.93m
If Radz could find investors that were willing to put £100 million into the transfer pot every summer then that would do for me. With that amount of continuous squad development I'm pretty sure we could give the big boys a run for their money. The bloke who bought in at Crystal Palace paid something like £87 million for an 18% share which values the club at around the £500 million mark. This means with stadium development and continued success on the field Radz is well on the way to achieving the one billion market value that was his stated aim for Leeds.
I can’t disagree with either of you but this season we’ve not improved enough, the fear then is the likes of Rodrigo age another year, Philips gets poached and possibly Meslier and Llorente. I can see that’s why we’re investing heavily into the U23s and I’m hopeful that helps us progress onto the next level. We finished several places higher than budgeted for, we had a small windfall from parachute payment refunds, we had the 49ers increase their stake from 15% to 37% with Radz stating that it values us at £300m I’d just like to know is Bielsa putting the blocks on our search for a midfield player or another winger or are we short of funds, if so why
Btw, for anyone interested, still no access to TA. Next review is October. Club not making the rules, just doing what they're told.
He has had 11 days off in a whole year. His fitness levels are so bad it could be xmas before he recovers.
It may be best to see how it plays out over the course of the season before we judge. Hopefully taking a little extra time now will pay dividends and we won't lose KP for any extended periods as happened last year.
As I have understood it the FFP rule are in play and have always been in play. It has on the other hand been relaxed to take in account the Covid pandemic. You still can’t loose more than £25M over the following 3 years unless you can prove that the losses were due to the pandemic.
Mind boggling and unsustainable in the long run. To me the punishment for the big six meant they got away with it especially seeing those figures.
I don’t know what to make of these values, according to them, Man City have already made a loss of £42m on Grealish. We paid £8m too much for Firpo, Bamford at £19m and Che Adams £18m. I’m sure the figures are just plucked out the air or taken from Championship Manager
Those numbers are based upon the time remaining on contracts, which is like when you buy a car it devalues by 30% as soon as you drive it off the forecourt. So with players it also depends upon the agreed payment spread. If spread over 5 years you see values dramatically lower as an example. You also have to Firpo valuation which is what Barcelona still owed his previous club
That's why my opening line said the values are objective, possibly I should have said subjective. The thing is the actual values don't matter, providing they have used the same analysis to get a value for a player, then the ratio difference would be the same no matter what value they give. It may also just be one guy who has arbitrarily decided to put a value on every player that he can, and providing that he doesn't over or under value certain players or teams for personal reasons, but gives a considered valuation then the point of WJ's original post on the subject still remains in that there was a vast difference between the value of the players top 6 premier league clubs, and ourselves, and thus despite having a great coach, a suitable style of play, and superb team togetherness, we still require more than our fair share of luck to compete. Also if you look at the valuations and take Jack Grealish and Firpo as the example, both valuations on the site are prior to both players recent transfers. Edit : Hadn't seen Doc's post when I made my reply, but another valid point made that I hadn't considered
I know but if you check the valuation it says last updated May 2021. Juniors says last updated 10 June, prior to him joining us, even though he is now listed as a Leeds player. I wasn't offering up the site as the definitive everything on here is gospel and no one should believe anything else, but rather to show that the list posted by WJ wasnt that much different to a list based upon supposed market values, which is what you argument against WJ list was. Now if you wish to believe that our squad value is not a million miles away from the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Scum, Spurs, Leicester then that is your right, however if you don't believe then I am obviously missing your point with regards to you disagreeing with the figures posted by WJ. Yes we have the likes of Philips who didnt cost us anything, same as the scum had players that they didnt have to pay a transfer fee for, that have a high value not taken into account in WJ's posting, who actually got to play in the game against ourselves The point is surely that we are years behind most established premier league clubs when it comes to finance, we have an advantage over some, because of our large support, and world wide appeal, so we will catch the likes of Burnley and Palace up financially a lot quicker, but anyone who had any inkling that we are in a position to challenge the top 6 at present is relying upon every little thing going right for our club and wrong for those, so whilst Saturday's result was abysmal , I wouldnt have said it was totally unexpected, as on average the top 6 clubs (and more) will have better players individually than ourselves. I'm sure you have said that yourself in previous posts ( if it wasnt yourself I apologise) that our ethic is built on the team and individually we are behind certain clubs. You have also said you would prefer to have success quick by having a mega rich owner, than to take the slow steady approach that we appear to be taking. So I dont understand when another poster says well what can you expect from a game when one club has a starting eleven valued 3 or 4 times more than our own, 9 times out of 10 they will beat us, why you would disagree with that, whilst admitting that you want an owner who can throw mega bucks to buy the same type of valued players as the top 6. Surely you are confirming what WJ said, in that to compete with the top 6 clubs financially, we need to to have players of a similar value, or else results like the one on Saturday shouldn't be a surprise
