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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 15th September)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Sep 15, 2023.

  1. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Agree but over last few seasons some made it sound like we were only team with injuries and was used constantly as excuse for underperforming. Part of the game and sizeable squad required to cope with it and get rid of the sicknotes
     
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  2. Jammy 07

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    Think what we found in our second season after promotion was that some of the younger lads, who were supposed to be the squad fillers, weren't actually good enough at that time. In essence that (and not having more senior pros) cost Bielsa his job and ultimately lead to the reversing of the upward trajectory we'd enjoyed for the previous 3 seasons.

    However I still maintain that Bielsa should have been given the time to correct that, even if it meant doing so from the Championship.

    Fortunately in Farke we have now found an able replacement and hopefully we appreciate what we have this time.
     
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  3. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    You can't call firpo or meslier good looking.
     
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  4. Jammy 07

    Jammy 07 Well-Known Member

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    Apparently I just did <yikes>
     
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  5. Jammy 07

    Jammy 07 Well-Known Member

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    Thinking about it my boy Firpo's not too bad so we could stick him in a Miami Vice remake with a nice linen jacket and a toothpick.

    Go'on Junior thrash that Lamborgini <laugh>
     
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  6. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    He reminds me of a 1970s soul group singer.
     
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  7. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Thought firpo had a rolls royce and his girlfriend a pink Lambo.
     
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  8. Doc

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    Seems Bielsa not only needed time but also needed players the club couldn’t get. Kinnear says Bielsa wanted to regress the squad and told the club the existing squad wouldn’t be able to cope with a fourth year of heavy training. He told the club that they would never cope for second season in the prem but he wasn’t backed. Kinnear admits this
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly that and I think most fans realised it at the time but hoped the promotion winning side could go on forever. Gross incompetence by the board
     
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  10. Leedsoflondon

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    Compounded by the board thinking Jesse Marsch would be able to coach them into becoming better players than Marcelo Bielsa.
     
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  11. Jammy 07

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    It's a good job you're not prone to hyberbole isn't it.

    The board you speak off signed;

    Rodrigo
    Raphina
    Koch
    Llorente
    Firpo
    Dan James
    Kristensen
    Aaronson
    Tyler Adams
    Marc Roca
    Gnonto
    Wober
    McKennie

    Over £200M worth of players there so not exactly hoping the Championship winning side would go on forever is it.
     
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  12. wakeybreakyheart

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    So much talent... That we never signed.
     
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  13. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    And only Gnonto, James and Firpo (probably because he’s injured) are still here. Never got anywhere near £200 million back for them. We are still relying on Ayling, Cooper, Struijk, Bamford, Meslier (and possibly others I can’t think of).
     
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  14. wakeybreakyheart

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    Gelhardt.. Shakleton.. Bate.
     
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  15. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Signed virtually nobody when Bielsa and team were crying out for fresh blood. Every time those clowns went near the transfer market we came out weaker
     
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  16. wakeybreakyheart

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    Yes and Orta did it in plain sight after sinking Boro... He has a knack for it.
     
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  17. Jammy 07

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    The board stumped up the cash for our first 2 seasons back in the PL without selling one player.

    Should they have done a bit more in the second season - yes
    Were they grossly incompetent - no

    Their biggest mistake was appointing Marsche and then backing him for too long, but hey that's football.
     
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  18. Jammy 07

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    Raphina & Phillips = £100M
    Tyler Adams = £24M
    Sinisterra = £25M (pending)
    Harrison = £20M (pending)

    Total = £169 million.

    So roughly £30M down over 3 seasons which given the PL income doesn't seem too bad to me. We aslo have loads of players/assets out on loan who's futures have yet to be resloved.

    Plus we've still many young valuable assets in the squad such as Summerville, Gnonto, Rutter, Archie Gray etc etc which we didn't have when intially promoted.

    The board we had were average, at times they did ok but also made mistakes which ultimately led to relegation.

    At no point were they grossly incompetent.
     
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  19. Leedsoflondon

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    Think you have to take off the KP money, he wasn’t brought in. Also can you add up the amount for all the loanees + JKA (that was grossly incompetent) and deduct that from your £169 million.
     
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  20. Whitejock

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    You can't possibly include Phillips in this argument. Orta never bought him, so you can't use his sale for this argument. So it's really £80m down, using your argument above.

    EDIT: And you can't use 'pending' payments, when we might not get a penny for any of them for a variety of reasons. So, argument over. It's bollox.
     
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