Contradictory? Oh dear, you've missed the point of my last post entirely... and most of the previous posts too judging by that somewhat abridged and slanted summary. Never mind, let me try to simplify my last post for you. First off, you didn't just say he was a very good player, you said he could hold his own in the Prem. It is this that I never seen proof of. Lots and lots and lots of players have looked very good at Championship level (which Danns never has in my view, but I digress) and failed to make the step up to the Prem. My whole point is that you can only honestly say a player is good enough for the Prem if they've played against teams already at that level. So using that logic, you must be making assumptions on Danns ability based purely on the Chelsea game. The paragraph your quoted simply points out that, if you're saying Danns is good enough for the Prem on the strength of one performance, it's just as valid to say Neil Danns is not good enough for League Two, since he was awful against Burton. Of course, neither of these view points are valid if common sense is applied, because it's not reasonable to judge a player on just one performance (good or bad) but the latter summary is no more or less ridiculous than the former. Individual performance levels can fluctuate wildly, especially if a players thinks they're in a once-in-a-lifetime shop window. You have to look at the entire overview (yes, I know you're not keen on that) not just the bits that fit your argument. The overview is that Danns has been disappointing more often than he's been impressive. Hence his limited involvement at a club that is below Premier League standard. As I've already said, I think Danns is lower end Championship material. He has show brief flashes of quality, which left some of us hopeful of future improvement, but that was as good as it got. Not particularly surprising, but admittedly a bit disappointing. At no point as he ever justified his hefty wage, and he's certainly not shown that he's better than the standard his current club is at - if anything, evidence points to the contrary. I hope that's clearer for you. And yes, it is all about opinions but when you say something as outlandish as "Danns could hold his own in the Prem" when he's struggling to get into a Championship side and no clubs are coming in for him, you can't be surprised when others disagree.
Neil Danns career Blackburn-He was **** Colchester United- He did very well Birmingham- He was **** Crystal Palace- He did well when Palace struggled Leicester- **** Huddersfield- He did ok in a struggling team He only does well in struggling sides. He isnt good enough for a top end championship team and if you want to bury your head in the sand and think he is great do it. Sven didnt rate him too highly and pushed him outwide. Nigel gave him plenty of chances but he lacked the maturity and ability to make a place his on a regular basis He is our 5th choice centre midfielder for a reason
Neil Danns biggest fan other then FF is Neil Danns He over rates himself and when he plays he is crap, wages miles too high and he is bad for the team We have better midfielders already at the club so were not going to play someone who complains on twitter and gets his mates to slag the club off in the media
Priceless .. you and Gangsta really are farts from the same arse sometimes ... although Gangsta's are far more verbose and tend to end up trying to convince everyone that they are a breath of air freshener ... Everything you have written is purely your opinion ... you don't KNOW that Sven didn't rate him ... you don't know that he pushed him wide for that reason ... what if he did it because he actually felt the team was lacking there and Danns was actually versatile enough to play there? He only does OK in a struggling team? ... define struggling, and if all of his teams have been struggling and he has done well, surely that suggests he's doing something right? Nigel gave him plenty of chances? ... not in a team struggling more than any in the division during the last third of the season ... instead he persisted with the triangle of King, James and Drinkwater ... all too similar in my view ... and if that's not true why has he brought in Hammond? ... and the reason that Danns is our 5th choice midfielder? because he is out of favour with a certain Mr Pearson not necessarily that he is the 5th in quality ... that's a matter of opinion. Anyway ... as I always say it is ALL about opinions ... because yours and Gangsta's are generally the same doesn't make them wrong (or right), merely yours and Gangsta's (and anybody else's that share them) but do try and resist the temptation to suggest you have intimate knowledge of why Sven did this or Nigel did that ... it devalues any point you are trying to make.
For me ... hopefully NOT Kevin Doyle ... I also don't want to see Liam Moore sidelined, particularly in favour of some (just as young) loanee from a big club - he needs to keep developing and, for me, that should be alongside Wes. Personally (from the head) I don't think we can mount a serious automic promotion challenge this season with the current squad, not on the evidence of what I've seen so far (hope I'm wrong of course and the heart still hopes) but, if nothing else, the season does present a good opportunity to bed down a proper defence, hopefully with a view to them being that much better next season ... although you have to suspect that we will lose Schmeichel. Play-off place still a possibility.
Neil Danns didnt start 1 game as a centre midfielder under Sven Must have rated him very highly Yuki Abe got more games And so what if me and Lesta Gangsta share some views. Some fans do and other fans will share the opposite opinion. We are paying Neil Danns alot of money and so far got very little out of it. His ego is the reason why he has struggled to get back into Nigel's plans. He plays like a headless chicken and flies into alot of tackles. But gets alot of bookings and red cards doing it He offers a few goals but King and James do He offers more experience then them but we now have Dean Hammond Danns had a few good performances but twice as many poor ones. All the other midfielders offer alot more consistency and while Danns in your opinion might be better then them when on form, his consistency means he doesnt warrant a place in the team
You mean Sven played a many times capped full international? ... blimey! I'm surprised he wasn't tempted to also play that other many times capped full international Gelsen Fernandes in central midfield as well ... oh but wait . Sven tried to build a 'squad' full of 'quality' ... with Abe, Fernandes, Wellens (at that time) and Danns, we arguably had, on paper at least, the best central midfield options in the league at the time... it didn't work, the rest is history. Personally, I liked Abe - I believe he would have shone on the continent with his neat control and passing but it didn't work for him in the hustle and bustle of the chmpionship ... let's face it, no Japanese player, irrespective of how good (e.g Kagawa at Dortmund) has actually done as well here (the UK) as they have in Europe.
Verbose because I had to spell things out to you because you clearly misunderstood my post before last. Next time it's the hand puppets. Farts from the same arse? That's how you classify people who disagree with you? What happened to the right to have a difference of opinion that you so often defend? Or is that only for you?
You are getting confused between 'understand' and 'disagree' ... understanding you is quite easy, disagreeing with you, more often than not, even easier ... plenty of people on here disagree with me, but only you and Proud have I ever classified (and light heartedly at that) as "farts from the same arse" - so another sweeping generalisation (i.e how I treat people) bites the dust ... and the right to have a different opinion to mine? ... think that's even reiterated in the very post you are whinging about. Lighten up fella!
Wholly agreed and no problem with that whatsoever... ... in your opinion - not necessarily 'fact'. An opposite view might be that under a different manager, one who could cope with stronger personalities, he'd be giving his all and might again get into a Championship team of the season (as he did whilst with Birmingham)...
You clearly misunderstood because you said I contradicted myself, which I didn't. And it's not me that needs to lighten up. I can get my point across without getting personal or resorting to schoolyard insults.
Or another point of view is that it's nothing to do with his attitude but more to do with the fact that, in terms of his ability, he's fourth choice.
"If you're judging by his performance against Chelsea, then that is just one match. I would counter that by saying he was awful against League Two Burton. So I could say he's shown me he's not even League Two quality. But I won't, because judging on one performance is very silly." Now if you'd used the word 'could' then you might have a point ... but in most people's books 'I would' followed by 'But I won't' when you actually already have, would, to use your most oft used word 'clearly' be contradictory ... feel free to exercise you powers of re-invention Ah bless - weren't you the one on here complaining that there was no longer any 'fun' on the board ... gone all PC on us now have you? ... for god sake grow a pair lad ...'personal insults' ... I thought 'Gangstas' were known for their ingenious put downs?
To summarise and quite a few people still go on With Danns, Mills, Beckford, Fernandes, Sven etc. We finished 9th and struggled for discipline and consistency throughout the season Get rid of all them and Nigel with his own team and we finished 5th and for 2/3 of the season shown alot of consistency and alround a better team ethic. Danns along with the others wasnt selected by Nigel for a number of reasons. We shipped Danns out to Bristol City and Huddersfield last season. Neil Danns bigs himself up on twitter and then fails to produce the goods on the pitch. Nigel has shown many times he would take a hardworking reliable unproven player who will give his all over an ego driven established player in it for himself. Now all of us think Paul Konchesky isnt worth what we paid Liverpool or what we pay him but he has always gave his all and acted professionally throughout his time here other then the incident at Millwall. Thats a real pro, not Danns Andy King acts very professional and has opened professed his love for the club on many occassions. Matty James is becoming the complete midfielder we have lacked for a number of years and Danny Drinkwater who was superb for 2/3 of last season has got his head down this season and is giving his all the win his place back which is what professionals should do. Dean Hammond has come in to add experience and help the team Neil Danns offers us nothing like any of them. He is too busy left promoting to care about the club, we are better off without him
Anyway I dont understand how someone can have a vendetta against David Nugent but love Neil Danns so much. Any player that gives 100% to our club has my full complete backing whether they are Kasper Schmeichel, Paul Gallagher, David Nugent, Anthony Knockaert, Martyn Waghorn or Jamie Vardy. Regardless of their ability, all i demand to see is 100% effort and commitment Players like Danns, Beckford and Mills who are out for their egos and dont give 2 ****s about our club I dont want to see at our club regardless of how good they are or can be Im pretty sure Nigel sees things the same way. I would rather watch my team give everything they had and lose then them turning up not giving a **** and winning
I could not of posted a better post tbh, I agree 100%. Just a shame about the KS part, but there is no way he´ll be at LC next season unless we are premier league. Nor do I think NP will be either.
Proud - no vendetta against David Nugent - have always maintained that he is a fairly good footballer but not a particularly good striker - and I have no love for Neil Danns but he was IN MY OPINION just what we could have done with last season during the bad run - a player with more bite than the rather light weight trio the manger insisted on keeping with ... I still feel he could do a job if managed correctly - but Pearson does seem to have a problem managing 'egos' so it ain't gonna happen Personally I would rather watch 'ego's that have a spark of genius than the 'type' of players you seem to favour (for the avoidance of doubt I don't class Neil Danns as any kind of genius - again that's down to personal choice - nothing wrong with being different. That you don't 'understand' me therefore comes as no big surprise. You make a lot of assertions about what players 'think about our club' which frankly has no basis in fact - my feelings are that just about every footballer these days is a mercenary and their is no real loyalty - fans just like to believe that players feel the same way about the club as they do. Frankly, any player marginalised in the way that Beckford and Danns were by Pearson are hardly likely to want to die for the cause now are they? So what came first? bad attitude by those players or poor management of those players? none of us really knows.
FF if Danns is so good why hasnt he played in the prem yet? why he is surplus to requirements here? why isnt there a cue of teams trying to sign him? Danns is over hyped. You can get players with a touch of genius like Anthony Knockaert who give their all for the club. People are like Danns are over paid bad apples that are in it for the footballers lifestyle nothing else. Danns is massive over rated. Nigel has no time for people who arent fully committed which is the right way to do things (Check QPR). Nigel is the man who makes the decision regardless of whether we agree or not but with regards to Danns he has been spot on. Do you really think he bring more to the team then what we already have? All he did offer was a little bit of experience and help us close games out especially at away games, since Dean Hammond signed he is completely surplus to requirements in every sense. We need him off the wage bill for FFP, he ego doesnt help the team, Nigel has no plans for him, he isnt good enough to get in our team. Im not saying footballers do care for the club but comments in the media like Danns have done and a series of abject performances show Danns doesnt give a **** about the club. Look at the pics from the Watford play off game and tell me they didnt care
