The Irish Thread

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Sisu said:
The British services have supported and perpetrated terrorism in India Africa Asia Middle East and Europe.
This is without getting into the actual murders and rapes commited by British military, even in recent times.

But do we label each other's nations with a broad stroke of a Brush because of Nationalism? Shall I hold MITO responsible for such atrocities or he hold me responsible for such IRA atrocities?

I am a firm believer in cause anf effect, if you stay the **** out of other nations and their business, it means they stay out of yours.
Something people still have not learned with all this anti Muslim cack, bomb the **** out of their countries and massacre their people and prop up murderous dictators and then get outraged when people have had enough? Committing terrorism abroad brings terrorism home. THAT IS A FACT

FFS

Any terrorism the UK has suffered has been and IS a direct result of the imperial masters (ruling elite) being proper murderous ****s in other people's countries.

I DO NOT EXTEND THOSE SENTIMENTS TO COVER THE BRITISH PEOPLE IN SOME STUPID IGNORANT GENERALISATION. **** NO.

Then there is Irony, banging on about the IRA whilst forgetting that the British Monarchy and Military stealing all of the food from Ireland caused the deaths of well over 1 million Irish.

<doh> Just saying, IRA killing people, civilians was wrong, but to overlook genocide whilst banging on about it.. <doh> Never mind the famine in india Churchill helped cause that killed many more than the Irish famine, British soldiers and citizens could order eggs and ham while Indians were dying in the street outside, in their own country like.

The IRA have a brief history of terrorism, and I never supported their actions when it came to bombs that killed civilians or the tit for tat sectarian nonsense that both sides took part in, but Britain's history of terrorism extends for centuries and involves millions of deaths. When was the last IRA atrocity, yet look at Iraq and Libya. All very recent

It's all history, and should be reflected on as such without anger or recrimination, there are ****ing lessons to be leaned from it after all.
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I agree everyone should stay out of everyone elses business and the world would be better off... I think personally NI should stand up on its own two feet as its own country and identity and thats the only why they'll ever get one with it.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
I agree everyone should stay out of everyone elses business and the world would be better off... I think personally NI should stand up on its own two feet as its own country and identity and thats the only why they'll ever get one with it.
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Maybe MITO but if NI wants to be part of the UK then fair play to them.

Too much hatred has spilled over from those times. Lessons are not learned and there is still immense recrimination that will remain for a few generations.

What is problematic is those that try to stir up up mate and hold on to those recriminations without ever realising the causes.

So, fair play mate, fair comment, [HASHTAG]#respect[/HASHTAG]
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
I agree everyone should stay out of everyone elses business and the world would be better off... I think personally NI should stand up on its own two feet as its own country and identity and thats the only why they'll ever get one with it.
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NI is part of one of four provinces on the Island of Ireland and will never be a nation within its own right, its future is either as it is now under British rule or in the future part of a 32 county Ireland.

Of course the peace process and devolution and better understanding between the divided communities does and will have a major say in its future, but any bid for full nationhood by the 6 counties would bring about a breakdown of the peace process imo, I think the nationalists having a voice in Stormont and the dail eireann suits them.
 
I'm a firm believer that people who are here now have precedence over historical factors.

yes it was part of Ireland, yes it was hacked off and added to the UK but the people there now and what they want are all that matters imo.
 
Page_Moss_Kopite said:
NI is part of one of four provinces on the Island of Ireland and will never be a nation within its own right, its future is either as it is now under British rule or in the future part of a 32 county Ireland.

Of course the peace process and devolution and better understanding between the divided communities does and will have a major say in its future, but any bid for full nationhood by the 6 counties would bring about a breakdown of the peace process imo, I think the nationalists having a voice in Stormont and the dail eireann suits them.
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why not stand on their own and grow up.. i'm sure it is of great benefit to them to be in 3 different parliaments and not having to make any real calls in any of them.

Everyone should grow up and balance thier own books, live for themselves and thier own futures and look after thier own peoples.

if a 6 county NI cannot survive then how can slovenia, latvia, estonia, cyprus, luxembourg and others who are all approximately the same populations?

Why not say 26 county Ireland is too small and it should join the USA or something (not going the british route)

The peace process is good. the country itself is stil a basket case in terms of real employment and education and will be for many years. The best they can do is improve living standards and get more real jobs in not state jobs and grow the damned palce so that it is a mature place.

Instead they squabble over flags and budget handed to them as stipend.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Thanks mate <ok>

Did family tree a while ago always knew one side was Irish descended - most scousers are <ok> - but a lot of Irish records were destroyed in 1922 so you can only trace your ancestors as far back as1900, prior to that all records are gone.
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But if you know the town//village they were from the local church records pre 1900 will show where they lived, their occupation, their parents names and births, deaths and marriages within the family.
 
Page_Moss_Kopite said:
But if you know the town//village they were from the local church records pre 1900 will show where they lived, their occupation, their parents names and births, deaths and marriages within the family.
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Good point. Does that mean I'd have to find RC churches in Mullingar and go visit though?
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Good point. Does that mean I'd have to find RC churches in Mullingar and go visit though?
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Yeah you'd have to go over jb, there are no doubt lots of parishes in and around Mullingar, but you have info of the area I suppose so you'd head there and visit the local church to view their records.
 
Page_Moss_Kopite said:
Don't know if this is any good to you.

http://www.westmeathcoco.ie/en/ours...eation/libraryservice/localstudies/genealogy/
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Thanks very much for that mate, I didn't even consider there was a way around there being no census details before 1900. Stands to reason that churches would keep records too <ok>

I got interested in it a while ago and got a one year sub to ancestry.co from one of my lads so I've only looked at census records so far, going back as far as I could starting with my Dad's side - obviously easier to trace men as they don't change their surname. Got as far back as 1796 on that side then started on my Mum's side but hit a full stop with g granddad. I will take a look at that site, thanks very much.
 
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It's funny tho, many who engage on the stupidity often don't know they have the blood of the "enemy" in their veins <laugh>

The lines are blurred. My ancestors went to wales and came back a few hundred years later. So I'm part Gonzo <yikes>
 
'Blood of the enemy' you say ..... My Dad [love him, miss him] hated the French and found out when an aunt did the family tree years and years ago, his family were French, going back, and came over and settled in Cornwall. <laugh>
 
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