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The Guineas

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by floridaspearl, May 3, 2019.

  1. stick

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    Favourite looks very strong doesn’t he. Shame we have not seen Too Darn Hot yet as him and Persian King and maybe Calyx in the sprints look the possible stars of this generation.
     
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    I like to try find an alternative to a strong fav but I can't see past him
    Will be a no bet race for me as he is far too short, unless I can find an alternative but I do like the look of East in the French 1000 it's just a case if she has trained on
     
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    I have followed Grendel in on calyx as well for Ascot also had a small wager on newspaper of record at Ascot hopefully she turns up and shows the same kind of form she did at the breeders cup
     
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    I covered East earlier on somewhere on the forum. The Ryan stable form was a big part of me leaving her out of the equation.

    Newpaperofrecord was beaten on her reappearance last Friday. She seemed to have the race in hand but was worn down late on. The trainer feels she might not have been as fit as he thought.

    Skitter Scatter was reported to have a hamstring injury and will miss the Irish 1000 Guineas. There was nothing apparent after the race but connections feel she may have injured her hamstring leaving the stalls. It was certainly a dismal effort but I am not sure how anyone could be confident as to when the injury took place.

    One thing is for sure and that is that Siyarafina will NOT win the French 1000 Guineas. She is not going to run because she worked badly on the gallops this week. I can only hope she rediscovers her form for the Prix Diane, where I have a bet on her at 5/1. I never got an early price for the French Guineas because she was not entered there and by the time odds were quoted it looked a bit tight. I am not really hopeful for the French Oaks now, it seems to come soon enough after the Guineas to enable a recovery. It leaves the race a bit moderate looking now and I have decided to play on Andre Fabre's Suphala. I thought she was slightly disappointing last time but she wasn't beaten far and will likely strip fitter this time. In an open year I feel she will give a good account. On home soil and not much shorter than East, she has the advantage of a run and she holds Commes on form from last season. I am still unsure how good Castle Lady actually is so prefer the Fabre filly at bigger odds.

    French 1000 Guineas Suphala 11/2
     
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    Thanks for the insight Grendel
    I am still learning and work long hours so only get to study a few hours a week
    So any information or help I appreciate
     
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    The trainer has actually back-tracked and stated that the final decision on Sirayafina will be made tomorrow. The deadline for supplementing is on Thursday and while a couple of firms still quote her in the betting, the trainer says she has less than 50% chance of being supplemented.

    This saying one thing one day and changing it the next should be outlawed. It's tantamount to corruption to be saying one thing and then reversing it the next day or so.

    How hard can it be to know what the **ck you are doing and then tell the truth accordingly?

    East is as low as 5/1 among the uncertainty but she's not quite tempting me but good luck if you play her in an open year.
     
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    I followed your advice on suphala only small stakes ,have East as well ,so let's hope the hotpot doesn't run
     
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    Siyarafina was NOT supplemented for the French 1000 Guineas. Castle Lady WAS added to the field however and she is favourite at about 3/1 now.

    The article I read reckoned Matematica would be favourite but her Boussac form has worked out quite poorly, with only Pink Dogwood winning a 10F listed race at odds-on to come from the late season Group 1. All other runs since (nine) have resulted in unplaced. The latest was Star Terms who finished 11th in our Guineas. Matematica won a maiden on seasonal reappearance and although she is lightly raced still, a maiden seems a strange prep for a Classic and that maiden has looked weak since. The runner up was 4th of 6 in a Listed race while all the others to run since have been beaten in maidens and a claiming race. Just doesn't look strong enough for me.

    Matematica is 6/1 while Watch Me is 7/1. Watch Me beat Suphala last time in the traditional trial the Prix Imprudence but there was only a short head in it. Suphala needed her first start last season and she won her two races afterwards at a mile. Dropping to 7F for the Imprudence probably wasn't ideal and back at a mile with a run under her belt I expect her to reverse placings. East is 7/1 and the trainer says she has filled out from last season. Angel's Hideaway is set for a quick reappearance and she ran well at Newmarket. Like a few in that race, she looked as if not quite lasting. Runner up Lady Kaya is going sprinting now and I was a bit surprised by that because late in the Newmarket Guineas she looked to my eyes to see it out slightly better than Qabala to claim second. If Lady Kaya didn't stay, it makes a poor case for Qabala being a good stayer at a mile.
     
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