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Off Topic "The Great Reset" hence the delusion of the masses

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Butthuber, Sep 24, 2020.

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  1. Erik

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    You can laugh at butthuber all you want, and indeed he's inferred some rather kooky things from the facts, but he's nearer to the reality than most of you appear to be. Witty retorts of 'what film is this' and the like won't change the fact that the severity of WuFlu has been grossly exaggerated and that governments across the Western World have utilised it as a means of pushing through oppressive measures that impinge more greatly on our freedom and liberty than almost any others in centuries.
     
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    Stunning graphic in Sunday Times puts this over-reaction in context. Every dot is 10,000 of UK's 66.8m population, so 6,680 dots. The 4 black ones are total deaths, the 14 green ones are hospital admissions and even cases only 42 dots. What's this fuss about?


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    If you stare at this for 3 minutes, you can see Boris Johnson blowing Patrick Vallance.
     
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    While in the corner is one of our posters ****ing away in the wardrobe
     
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    Fuuuck, I missed that. There’s me thinking I see the full picture, but I fell for the trick. Should have had a proper gander!
     
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  6. Butthuber

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    I have read several times the most interesting book describing the complete history of Communism - The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich which was cited by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the famous writer of the book The Gulag Archipelago. Shafarevich precisely explaind the difference between the Chiliastic Socialism and State socialism and finaly came to the conclusion, that the Freudian concept of the "death drive" reflects many features of humanity's quest for selfdestruction, which is the driving force of socialism - hence only without mankind socialism has been succeeded.

    The Communist Revolution in Russia and Chinese Communist Revolution caused around 100 million deaths and it is for certain that communism will never work. Yet again, many people seem to embrace the ignorant view that equal rights and equality do mean the same and can be achieved by introducing social sexes ignoring Biology, new speech, cancel culture and women's quota. In Sir Thomas More´s Utopia the society possessed a highly desirable or nearly perfect qualities for its citizens but Utopia's nature is inherently contradictory because societies are not homogeneous and have desires which conflict.

    I guess people will have to read Animal Farm again - Orwell clearly understood the Stalin method.

    We seem to agree on alternative engery and that we do have to make changes - yes, the old "normal" will have to go BUT the way this is communicated to the people is totally inadequate, has already cost many lives and will cost even many more. I totally disagree that Covid-19 just happened by accident and now they are (mis)using it for this transformation. The Rockefeller Foundation had it on the script 2012. The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201 on October 18, 2019 in New York - that was a pandemic tabletop exercise just before Sars-CoV2 showed up.

    The basic conditional income MMT will not work (I will elaborate on that later this week) and is certainly not intended to last forever. That is the honeypot to lure the people (like you) into another Utopia which will finally end up as Dystopia. This Christmas we will see mass redundancies in Germany and the mood will change rapidly from Green illusion to anger. This will be brought onto the streets in March 2021 latest - unfortunately. Then you will find out what deindustrialisation means.
     
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    You are missing the point on Communism Butthuber. I explained that communism comes from the commune and is not statism. The Marxist idea that socialism is an interim stage by which the state establishes the transition to Communism is an illusion - it can never happen that way. True communism comes from below and does not involve taking over the state first. Shafarevich identified 3 elements to both State and Chiliastic socialism - the abolition of private property, the abolition of the family and the abolition of religion. All these are false premises. Firstly there is no system other than some religious communities which has tried to remove all private property - they have contented themselves with collectivizing the means of production and banking, and not gone beyond that. As said by Kropotkin the factory which produces your watch belongs to the workers the watch itself belongs to you. The abolition of the family has not happened and I challenge you to find any state which has tried to do so - the Israeli Kibbutz system came the closest. The abolition of religion is another matter - this was a great mistake of Marxist systems, but is not common to all socialists. The origins of the Labour Party in the UK owed more to the traditions of Christian Socialism than they did to Marx. It is perfectly possible to be religious and a socialist - I am myself. Please don't come back at me about Stalin - he was an anti Communist who was determined to make sure that his warped system remained a dictatorship for as long as possible. I am actually prepared to say that I accept some inequalities of wealth - but want work alone to be the only criteria on which wealth is based. In that I go no further than the carpenter of Nazareth who condemned both interest and also inheritance.
     
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    You could´t be more wrong. The only reason I have started this thread is to inform people about what is coming. It is totally up to the reader what he/she makes out of this. I do care about people since we are all sitting in the same boat.
     
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    Dr Heiko Schöning agrees with you BH. He was nicked on Saturday just a short way into his speech at speakers corner. He claims to be one of a thousand doctors from around the world calling this the great reset. He says we never recovered from 2008 and now is the time.
     
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    what would you do with interest and inheritance
     
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    I didn't really want to go too deeply into this because the thread is supposed to be about other matters - but a direct question deserves an answer so:
    With inheritance I would have confiscatory estate taxes for any wealth above the level needed to support a widow and dependent children. I would go along with the views of Thomas Jefferson on this (far from being a Communist) - ''Unbridled inheritance is corrosive to a democratic society - ''The earth and the fulness of it belong to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up for posterity''. Strange to think of this coming from a one time US President !

    Interest I would simply abolish. The end result of interest is that money works for itself and attracts more money - which leads, ultimately, to wealth concentrating itself in fewer and fewer hands - I said earlier that work should be the only source of income (at least for those that can work).
     
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    To cut a long story short - even though communism has never succeeded they have never given up the idea of it. They do not have to abolish private property since no one will be able to pay the property taxes if you lost your job. Secondly they are not going to abolish religion as the consequenses after the Clash of Cultures will lead to the conviction that we should live without them. They are already trying to get hands on the children. In Germany they intend to bring Children's rights in the Basic Law. What sounds like a good idea is in fact a diabolical way to separating the children from their parents. Article 1 of the "Grundgesetz" already clearly says: Human dignity is sacrosanct. All state authorities are obliged to respect and protect it. Aren´t children human ?

    Socialim to me is just the lack of personal responsibility. Socialism only works as long as you can steal others people money. We all have to accept inequalities of wealth since people do not have the same skills. Only free enterprise can create jobs, create new ideas and people need a challenge of their possibilities, creativity - socialism can only redistribute values but never generate any values.

    You are right about Stalin and that is what I told you in the first place. Stalin did not want to create World Communism and that´s why we had the cold war for so many years. After the fall of the Berlin Wall that had changed - Merkel is a socialist who is trying to make up for what was held up for some 75 years. She wants European Communism as an interim solution.
     
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    That’s a great quote.
     
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    Obviously you do not have a clue how the monetary system works. Please explain to me how could money possibly attract more money without interests ? If we had no interests how could we have more money ? Without interests the amount of money could never change. Why do you think they called it the Nixon Shock when Nixon replaced the fixed exchange rate of $35 per gold ounce into a freely floating fiat currencies ?

    Well again, more about MMT the following days which will totally destroy any socialist idea.
     
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    I saw his arrest on Telegram Messenger and the way the peaceful Anti-Covid-19 protesters were treated. Shocking moments and yes, this is The Great Reset.
     
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    I do not want money to attract other money BH. This way the money that my money attracts comes from somewhere else which is theft.
     
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    so would a successful family business have to be sold to pay these taxes
    who would set the amount needed by a widow and dependents

    no inheritance taxes in new zealand
    no capital gains taxes either really
     
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    We little to no interest rates in UK at moment, well less than 0.5%

    You ain't going to make your fortune in investment.

    Following up from this Bill Gates has famously decided not to leave his money to his children. He has used money to educated them and support them until qualified and that is it.
     
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    If the quantity of money would be fixed, how much money would that have to be ? What about the 60.000.000 new people that were born (net) this year - no money for them then ?
     
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    You print more money as required. Better still you replace monetary systems with one based on satisfying needs. Usury facilitates debt accumulation, concentration of wealth in a few hands, and also fosters irresponsible lending and borrowing. By the last point I mean that loans are taken out even when they cannot be repaid in full owing to the profits from such indebtedness which usury provides.
     
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