Reports that the lorry was driven for over a mile, zig-zagging to kill and injure as many people as possible. I truly hope that there is a hell and that this man is now screaming in terror himself, and will continue to do so for centuries. My heart is weeping for Nice, everyone who is now suffering and for humanity. RIP.
I wasn't insinuating it was an Islamist/or eastern attack. Just condemning it regardless. Even if it's not fueled by hatred, and I'm sure it is with some. It's fuelled by something that I will never understand. What gives someone the right to take away so many lives, and ruin so many more. You cannot justify this kind of atrosity, I couldn't give two ****s whatever the 'reasons' were. Anyway, they don't deserve a moment of my thought. The 84 people that have been killed, the hundreds injured and thousands in mourning are the ones I'll be thinking about. RIP
My Son's trip is a little bit different. I got him into a "semi" select "academy" school that own their own complex near Paris. An old farm and grounds. There is a trip to Paris though.
I wasn't getting at you. Just something I was told on another platform when someone else pinned all this down to western intervention in the region. Someone more in the know was explaining that intervention or not this is down to the form of religion that these people follow and that Arabs are not very happy about the West constant insistence on explaining it away as down to their input in the region because that is used as a cover for many of these islamists that live in the western countries. Arab scholars are saying that there is nothing the western democracies can do to stop it and that like Germans did with Nazi'ism this is something that they have to sort out introspectively in terms of their faith around the world and what is being taught in their schools, mosques etc. I was reading this article that someone pointed me towards as well some videos also pointed out to me. They are pretty honest about their problems: http://www.memri.org/clip_transcript/en/5522.htm http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5522.htm http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/9311.htm I can't find the clip now but I watched one last night where an Arab academic was criticising muslims in the UK and other western countries for saying "Not in my name". He was saying. "It is in your name, this is your religion and all you say is not in my name. It is in your name and your clerics and teachers and imams have to come out and condemn it publically, not just say that is nothing to do with them. These acts are perpetrated in the name of Islam. In your name and it is not good enough to say that it is nothing to do with you. That is denial and helps the people who teach this particular ideology continue teaching with no recourse."
One of those places you feel you have to visit despite yourself. Afterwards you cannot say you enjoyed it, but you are glad you took the time to do so. Incidentally, most of the SS troops were Alsacien, which seems to make the whole thing seem even more sinister. I was reminded of a cartoon published at the end of the war. A skeletal figure emerges from the camps and a Western figure pronounces that "Germany must suffer for this". The skeletal figure reminds him that many of them were German. We need to be careful about demonising followers of Islam (I'm not suggesting anyone on here has, by the way). My heart bleeds for my beloved France this morning, of course. We are a family of francophiles. My son is taking his family to Paris next week. In the community we share in France we have many celebrations (the French love a good celebration) that will have light/no security. How should we react? Hollande's opponents say it's another "wake up call". But wake up to do what?
We travel next Friday to France. Your last sentence is what I alluded to myself. I don't understand it and I don't know if the people who need to know, understand it. Someone needs to understand what it is and why it is happening. Then and only then, may we know what can be done if anything and to what.
Maybe my nihilism is a function of age. It's just that I could understand the IRA, for example. Their aims were political, and I could sympathise with their aims if not their methods. But I don't get these groups. I am lucky enough to have a number of muslim friends, and they don't get it either. They are frightened of backlash, but they can't explain this Jihad. But enjoy France. It is still a beautiful country, as you know.
I think the problem is that we try to interpret causation and all sorts of other things in a way that we can explain it to ourselves in a western way of thinking. We do not understand properly how someone can be of the thinking that they would take their own life. That they were doing something worthwhile by taking their own life. I think many muslims living in western democracies are on our thought process so also struggle to understand it. Our politicians sure don't because they are not saying the same as I heard from videos last night from Arabs. Our politicians constantly talk of a western reason why people could go from a normal life to believing that they are doing the "honourable" thing by killing themselves and taking "infidels" with them. The first link of the transcript (the actual video is the second link) is the one which details this. This is not caused by personal economics or "disenfrachisement" or any other Western idea of what could be causing this. Those reasons "might" be one way that leaves people vulnerable to becoming "radicalised" but I think it is time for Western countries to stop thinking they know best and invite the Arab nations to tell them what we can do to help them fight this. It isn't bombs and guns that will stop this thats for sure. Only muslims will be able to sort this out because interference from non muslims is seen as islamophobia and an attack on Islam by infidels. Not just western military intervention but any intervention verbal or otherwise.
What pisses me off most about these Islamic state pricks is that these "acts" are just pure cowardly!
I think a good start would be if Muslims accept that other people have a right to their own faiths, whether different religions or different branches of their own faith. And they have a right to change faiths. I am sure that a lot of Muslims in this country do think like that, but the persecution of the different sects by the dominant one in some countries is mediaeval. Look at the Glaswegian shopkeeper killed because he belonged to one particular Islamic sect. Yes, Christianity has been through this with Catholicism and Protestantism etc, but it hasn't been carried through to the 21st century except rarely. I had hoped (being a girl of the 60s) that all this would be behind us, but it seems to be just part of human nature. It is worse now because a small group of militants can carry out destruction previously only possible by large countries.
Ah absolutely horrific , and should never happen In anyway shape or form on the magnitude in attacks such as today. Its more the methods they use , as someone posted earlier , people understood the IRA and could understand their logic , as crazy as they were. I just don't see what murdering 84 innocent people achieves,apart from showing the world how ruthless they are, or is that the point? I no longer understand these groups and what their actual "goals" are. They just seem to be making the world a misery, for what reason exactly?
If you can get past what sounds like racism and generalisation the Tommy Robinson Q&A at Oxford Uni and Tommy Robinson vs Left wing journalist are quite eye openers. He does know what he is talking about despite the way it comes across and he works with muslim organisations like Quilliam and with Imams to try and find solutions.
The way that the "left" have a habit of being apologists for terrorists does me bleedin' head in. And in case you hadn't picked it up, I am card carrying life-long member of the Karl Marx fan club who considers Jeremy Corbyn to be a bleeding heart liberal! It's simple, guys. Killing kids going home from watching the fireworks is to be condemned. Which bit don't you get?
I never did understand, let alone 'no longer' understand. Understanding the motive could be the key to resolution, if In fact that is possible at all.
It isn't just the "left" these days because society has moved quite a way further left than in olden days. The establishment is so careful about what they say in fear of offending people or being seen not to be "today's acceptable" measure that they tend to increase the problem. The Tories are liberals in comparison to only 30 years ago. Everybody has this liberal idealogical view of the world these days that means they are incapable of actually understanding how anyone could not be in that narrow range of "what we should be and do and think." To assess these sort of problems you have to be able to see that having views that are not in line with today's "acceptable" does not mean you are extremist and all forms of media and society have to stop trying to close down debate that is not within this narrow boundary.
