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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Beef, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Brighton 2-0 in a match that kicked off 15 minutes late so looks like they're through.
     
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    How come when other teams go 2-0 up we assume they've won the game.

    When Saints go 2-0 up we worry whether the opposition will get back to 2-2 or 2-3
     
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  3. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Because we concede immediately after our second? <laugh>


    They're playing a fourth division side too tbf.
     
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    I think today was the third time this season we've gone 2-0 up (god, how bad is that...), and the first that hasn't then become 2-2.

    And even then, as TLL, we still conceded straight after going 2-0 up.
     
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    That was on side for me. ManU not benefiting for a change.......
     
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  6. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Farcical VAR review, the lines weren’t even straight, let alone parallel!
     
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  7. Libby

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    How long did it take?
     
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    About a minute. Absolutely ridiculous, it’s as though they’re trying to discredit the system!
     
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    I have to say, I hate VAR. It think it actually makes matters worse.
     
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  10. Libby

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    Sounds like VAR ****ed it right up then.

    ****ing sack it off.
     
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    I really want VAR to work and I think it will once they only use it to cut out the obvious mistakes. When not clear you stay with the on field decision.
     
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    0-2

    Some stewards will be in trouble too!
     
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    I agree entirely. In the case of that offside, though, it was so close it almost had to go to VAR, just like a run out in cricket or a line call in tennis. So the assistant didn’t make an obvious error. Do you make a rule that all close calls go to VAR?
     
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  14. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Why?
     
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  15. Paddy Podped

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    Quite a few Utd fans hopped the fence and joined the celebrations.

    Started by a kid (about 12-14 I'd guess) and then joined by others (older)
     
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    That has killed it, no way back. :(
     
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    (Hopefully Chelsea v Utd next round)
     
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  18. Paddy Podped

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    I'd prefer Utd v City, Chelsea v Spurs
     
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    And that it why I have constantly highlighted the key 'clear and obvious' aspect to VAR.

    As I've said, the review system in cricket often didn't work well when the third umpire was given the license to effectively re-referee the game. For the really subjective decisions that were over-turned, you had half of fans, and no doubt players and coaches, thinking that the original decision was correct, and yet technology was sticking it's nose in to give the incorrect decision. Just because one umpire had a different view to another. Now that 'power' has been taken away from the third-umpire, it works so much better.

    There's a difference between a close call, and a subjective call. Something can be close, but still clear cut. He was just offside, the ball just went out of the play, it was just over the line etc - but everyone being in agreement with the answer. In that situation, I am fine with VAR. The correct decision has been reached, without question, regardless of how close. It's when things are unclear, when they are subjective. Is it this, is it that, we're not quite sure. In that situation, it has to stay with the original decision. Hence why I am an advocate of the 'clear and obvious' aspect, and why it must be there and must be followed.

    I'm not convinced that the Mata call was clear and obvious.
     
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    I agree, but shouldn’t there be some equivalent of Hawkeye in cases like that? Tennis line calls aren’t left to subjective decisions like offsides seem to be with VAR, so shouldn’t we leave those decisions to the infield officials until the technology advances to the point where it is reliable?
     
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