The EU debate - Part III

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Archers Road said:
Very briefly then, for now.

1) It's hard to say exactly how being in the EU has affected my life really. I struggle to see any negatives though. And it has made it easier for me to travel round Europe. It oppened up the prospect of me retiring to Spain. My son is considering a move to Berlin, just to try his luck for a year. Those opportunities are at risk due to Brexit.

2) I think most economists are agreed that immigration has a positive effect on a coutry's economy. More people working, soending their wages and paying taxes equals more money circulating in the economy. I take the point about low wages, but do not agree that immigration is the cause. Low wages, rather than unemployment, are the main symptom imo of this prolonged recession.

3. I am a Londoner. I love this city and it's mish mash of diverse cultures. I do sometimes feel my own culture is under threat, not from immigrants but from gentrification. Working class Londoners are being driven out of our own city, not by foreign workers but by rising house prices and a desperate lack of social housing, for which I blame Margeret Thatcher.
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Like your post

but Labour also did not stop the rot of social housing when they had 10 years to do so.
 
Archers Road said:
Very briefly then, for now.

1) It's hard to say exactly how being in the EU has affected my life really. I struggle to see any negatives though. And it has made it easier for me to travel round Europe. It oppened up the prospect of me retiring to Spain. My son is considering a move to Berlin, just to try his luck for a year. Those opportunities are at risk due to Brexit.

2) I think most economists are agreed that immigration has a positive effect on a coutry's economy. More people working, soending their wages and paying taxes equals more money circulating in the economy. I take the point about low wages, but do not agree that immigration is the cause. Low wages, rather than unemployment, are the main symptom imo of this prolonged recession.

3. I am a Londoner. I love this city and it's mish mash of diverse cultures. I do sometimes feel my own culture is under threat, not from immigrants but from gentrification. Working class Londoners are being driven out of our own city, not by foreign workers but by rising house prices and a desperate lack of social housing, for which I blame Margeret Thatcher.
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Only seen the last few answers but its been interesting nonetheless

1. I can't say whether the EU has really affected me. It's definitely easier to get around Europe so overall i would say the EU has a positive effect on my life.

2. Not sure whether i agree with economists or not. On the one hand i know economists say immigration has a positive effect and from their perspective i agree.

+ They are working and contributing to the economy
+ more people theoretically means more investment from outside business
+ theorectically more business means more jobs, is that the reality though with manual services where theres automation/cost cutting practices
- (again i'm not sure i believe this but i will put it out there) more competition for jobs (especially unskilled) with only a finite number of jobs means jobs that could (depending if you think their are a lack of jobs or you think white underclass are lazy) go to british people do not because foreign labour is cheaper. Means more people on benefits (although could be offset with more service jobs created?)
- Again, greater supply of labour means corporations can depress wages
- For those here in the short term or see plans outside of the country, money is sent out of the country

Overall, immigration isn't a problem as long as the country can support enough people. Infrastructure investments and public spending (well actually i think it needs to be more efficient rather than throwing money at the problem) needs to happen to support the immigration numbers.

3. I'm a londoner too and i'm an ethnic minority. Londons diverse and that's great and people mix fine at least in central. You don't really encounter as much casual racism here than in the rural areas where i was bought up in. You are correct that working class londoners are being driven out through big building projects as they can no longer afford it. However the rising house prices for central london is because it's a place everyone wants to live. There are only so many houses and everyone wants to be here so that pushes prices up. Unless we build upwards and fit more houses/flats into the same space, prices will only ever go up.

As for lack of social housing, not sure you can put all the blame on maggy. The right to buy policy is losing housing stock and its a shame as the people who need them aren't getting them but no one has reversed this right since. Maggy also was building 42k council houses per year when she was in power whereas now the government couldn't give 2 ****s and leave it to private developers and housing associations.
 
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Custard wins everytime said:
Well done for falling into my trap
For do know quite a lot about him, bit of a fan boy I see, right little Nazi boy is Stan

See updated sig about you <laugh>
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I do know a fair bit about him hence me not being a fan of the Nazis. Your scratch the surface understanding of Nazism explains why you would have been volunteering to work at the death camps.

By the way Kustard, the way the sig thing works is that people quote other people to take the piss out of them. Just writing "Stan is mean to me" in several different ways isn't quite the same thing <laugh>
 
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