The EU debate - Part III

[Bodinki]

How have I deflected? I asked you which points you were objecting to.

Being a white supremacist isn't illegal, nor is working for Goldman Sachs or being a complete dick.
He's not being accused of criminality in any of those cases, so the comparison's irrelevant.
As for the wife beating, he appears to have rolled over in the divorce to escape charges, as his missus had him over a barrel.
He threatened her to get her to avoid testifying against him, according to their divorce filings.

It is in this country. Unless of course you kept your beliefs to yourself, but then you would be irrelevant to the issue.
But speaking, or writing down, white supremacy rhetoric is illegal in the UK and you would be arrested for "Inciting racial hatred".
In the US it's not, because they have the whole 1st amendment thing.

 

[DMD]

You think that there's enough evidence to suggest that both are guilty. I don't.
One has been cleared. One has been charged and appears to have intimidated a witness repeatedly to avoid being found guilty.
You're asking me to treat them both the same, based upon completely different circumstances.

That's no more true than when you first claimed it. They clearly show that there were breaches that on other occasions would have lead to prosecution, but they decided not to on this occasion.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Not necessarily talking about the emails more about her intimadation of women, the people who seem to be dying around her, wikileaks publishing she uses her charity as her own personal piggy bank (like paying for chelseas wedding). Theres nothing cast iron in any of the above which she will be prosecuted for but in my eyes i have down as guilty.

That's not to say you can't believe (whoever you were arguing about) he is guilty, if the circumstantial evidence shows he is guilty. Just that you were discrediting the above with bodanki because there wasn't 100% irrefutable proof of the above yet you are doing the same thing with this bloke

I didn't discredit Bodanki's article, at all.
I suggested that the campaign's based on a bogus notion of people in the UK wearing safety pins.
Is that happening? I've not seen it or heard anything about it, if it is.

The Clinton stuff doesn't appear to have any reliable evidence.
Bannon's does. They're not the same situation.

 

[Bodinki]

I think I might actually, let me check.


Too much conflicting information.

Surely even the very notion of entertaining the idea that black people are genetically predisposed to crime wouldn't sit right?
Other than a darker skin tone and higher bone density, black people are the same as white people.
Socio economics is the reason. A higher percentage of black americans live below the poverty line in the US, which is why they make up a higher percentage of the prison population.
Also black neighbourhoods have increased police presence, so criminals in those neighbourhoods are more likely to be caught.

Gang culture plays a part. But thats not inherently a black thing, there are some awful white gangs in the US and worldwide.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

It is in this country. Unless of course you kept your beliefs to yourself, but then you would be irrelevant to the issue.
But speaking, or writing down, white supremacy rhetoric is illegal in the UK and you would be arrested for "Inciting racial hatred".
In the US it's not, because they have the whole 1st amendment thing.

I think it would depend on what you wrote and how you phrased it, over here.
Nobody's arrested The Zlatan, as far as I know...

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

That's no more true than when you first claimed it. They clearly show that there were breaches that on other occasions would have lead to prosecution, but they decided not to on this occasion.

You keep repeating this, being proved wrong and choosing to believe otherwise. It's pointless discussing it with you.
Pretty much like everything else, really.

 

[DMD]

You keep repeating this, being proved wrong and choosing to believe otherwise. It's pointless discussing it with you.
Pretty much like everything else, really.

I don't believe you've looked at the charges or the evidence. Like the claims of her innocence you keep making, you've yet to prove the comments of the FBI director (or me) wrong.

"Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

I know you dismissed this because you don't like Gowdy, but it's still a reasonable summary to use when looking at the law. They chose not to prosecute...yet.

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[Tobes]

It is in this country. Unless of course you kept your beliefs to yourself, but then you would be irrelevant to the issue.
But speaking, or writing down, white supremacy rhetoric is illegal in the UK and you would be arrested for "Inciting racial hatred".
In the US it's not, because they have the whole 1st amendment thing.

Claiming white supremacy in itself, whilst moronic, isn't illegal. You'd only be arrested for inciting racial hatred if you were advocating some form of action or using language of hate towards specific individuals or groups.

 

[Bodinki]

Claiming white supremacy in itself, whilst moronic, isn't illegal. You'd only be arrested for inciting racial hatred if you were advocating some form of action or using language of hate towards specific individuals or groups.

Well yeah, but who is gonna listen to someone who just says "White people are superior!" and says nothing further?
Other than Kustard of course

 

[Tobes]

America isn't a meritocracy anymore, affirmative action proves this.

Yes, those groups are more likely to be killed by law enforcement because they are responsible for more crime.

Poverty rates are coming down yet crime rates are going up.

Poverty in the States is relatively static in terms of the numbers affected by it.

Black families are about 3x as likely to be living in poverty than white.

There's a clue there.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I don't believe you've looked at the charges or the evidence.

I know you dismissed this because you don't like Gowdy, but it's still a reasonable summary to use when looking at the law. They chose not to prosecute...yet.

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I've already pulled this apart, so why post it again?
Every time that you're proven to be wrong, you still hold to the same bullshit. It's pointless.

 

[Tobes]

I don't believe you've looked at the charges or the evidence. Like the claims of her innocence you keep making, you've yet to prove the comments of the FBI director (or me) wrong.

"Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

I know you dismissed this because you don't like Gowdy, but it's still a reasonable summary to use when looking at the law. They chose not to prosecute...yet.

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Sound.

Hardly rape is it?

Let's see how Trump gets on, on the 28th.....

 

[DMD]

Poverty in the States is relatively static in terms of the numbers affected by it.

Black families are about 3x as likely to be living in poverty than white.

There's a clue there.

Given there's statistically more arrests from the black community, is it reasonable to assume they're not very effective criminals?


In my opinion, the focus on race misses the inequality of opportunity that is income/social based, but that does tend to leave more blacks caught in the poverty trap. The solution is greater focus on job creation and education as well as community and national pride. That's best done by tackling poverty among Americans, instead of the current system that results in division.

I'd need to google it, but I recall a claim that the average life expectancy in some American neighbourhoods, was lower than that on death row.

 

[DMD]

I've already pulled this apart, so why post it again?
Every time that you're proven to be wrong, you still hold to the same bullshit. It's pointless.

Because you didn't pull it apart or prove it wrong. Not being charged is not the same as being cleared no matter how often you repeat it.

If your argument is correct, and you apply it evenly, their would be very few unjustified killings by Police as they were reviewed, and few lead to prosecution, so the Black Lives Matters regime can be scrapped, and the money from Soros et al used to create unity and employment in those areas.

 

[Tobes]

Given there's statistically more arrests from the black community, is it reasonable to assume they're not very effective criminals?


In my opinion, the focus on race misses the inequality of opportunity that is income/social based, but that does tend to leave more blacks caught in the poverty trap. The solution is greater focus on job creation and education as well as community and national pride. That's best done by tackling poverty among Americans, instead of the current system that results in division.

I'd need to google it, but I recall a claim that the average life expectancy in some American neighbourhoods, was lower than that on death row.

It's not just Blacks, the Hispanic community suffers from the same stifling of opportunity.

Which is inherent in the US system, from schooling to the judiciary, the system is skewed against them.

 

[DMD]

Sound.

Hardly rape is it?

Let's see how Trump gets on, on the 28th.....

I think you're mixing her up with Bill.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Because you didn't pull it apart or prove it wrong. Not being charged is not the same as being cleared no matter how often you repeat it.

If your argument is correct, and you apply it evenly, their would be very few unjustified killings by Police as they were reviewed, and few lead to prosecution, so the Black Lives Matters regime can be scrapped, and the money from Soros et al used to create unity and employment in those areas.

The FBI investigated Clinton repeatedly over these emails and didn't find evidence of any crimes.
You're suggesting that they did, but don't want to do their actual jobs, for no apparent reason.
Comey, in particular, ****ed with her campaign, but is apparently on her side, in your opinion.
How does this make any sense?

 

[DMD]

It's not just Blacks, the Hispanic community suffers from the same stifling of opportunity.

Which is inherent in the US system, from schooling to the judiciary, the system is skewed against them.

Them being the poorer sections, rather than coloured.

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[Tobes]

I think you're mixing her up with Bill.

Were we talking about crimes that weren't crimes? merely innuendo and false accusation, that lead to no court case or conviction....

As I said, let's see how the President elect gets on.....

 

[DMD]

The FBI investigated Clinton repeatedly over these emails and didn't find evidence of any crimes.
You're suggesting that they did, but don't want to do their actual jobs, for no apparent reason.
Comey, in particular, ****ed with her campaign, but is apparently on her side, in your opinion.
How does this make any sense?

Apart from the evidence they found and commented on.