The EU debate - Part III
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Was a Romanian that ate my Hamaster, but English Knights saved the day and have him what for.
Dont worry the previous generation to me saved the world from the Nazis and gave you and me a future, so stop crying and make the UK a better place or you can carry on crying like a little snowflake. Off to your safe room quick, moron.
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I doubt the EU would give US the money.
We have as mucgh chance of getting Juncker to donate his salary to the NHS as we ever did of getting Boris and Farage's £350 mill diverted there.
Do try and keep up.
It was never Farage's and Boris's was more of a misguided slogan misquoted (probably as intended).
Do keep up.
It was a deliberate lie by the leave campaign, not a misguided slogan
we dont have any say in the standards for our exports to USA and China so that is normal
Perhaps. It seems to have only been taken seriously by the remainers and was ridiculed before the vote anyway. If anything, it's biggest impact would have been to shift some waverers to remain.
No serious academic is going to claim that the European Union is a federal state. He would be laughed out of academia!...
why was it a lie?
1 they were not in a position to make the decision
2 we will still be paying contributions for another two or more years
3 it was a suggestion that we could use the money to finance the NHS if we so decided
Yes and goods we send to USA and China are inspected on entry or have to provide paperwork to prove it. Not something we do now with Europe and therefore an overhead affecting all goods currently traded with the EU.
Yep, the average thick as **** 'kick the foreigners out' Leave voter would definitely be aware of that, without doubt. It was a quite blatant tactic to sway the thick and it worked incredibly well.
The European Union (EU) is not de jure a federation but various academics have argued that it contains some federal characteristics.
Here is the view of Professor R. Daniel Kelemen (Rutgers University) on how various brands of scholars approach the issue:
Unencumbered by the prejudice that the EU is sui generis and incomparable, federalism scholars now regularly treat the EU as a case in their comparative studies (Friedman-Goldstein, 2001; Fillippov, Ordeshook, Shevtsova, 2004; Roden, 2005; Bednar, 2006). For the purposes of the present analysis, the EU has the necessary minimal attributes of a federal system and crucially the EU is riven with many of the same tensions that afflict federal systems.[1]
According to Joseph H. H. Weiler, "Europe has charted its own brand of constitutional federalism".[10] Jean-Michel Josselin and Alain Marciano see the European Court of Justiceas being a primary force behind building a federal legal order in the Union[11] with Josselin stating that "A complete shift from a confederation to a federation would have required to straightforwardly replace the principality of the member states vis-à-vis the Union by that of the European citizens. … As a consequence, both confederate and federate features coexist in the judicial landscape."[12]
According to Thomas Risse and Tanja A. Börzel, "The EU only lacks two significant features of a federation. First, the Member States remain the 'masters' of the treaties, i.e., they have the exclusive power to amend or change the constitutive treaties of the EU. Second, the EU lacks a real 'tax and spend' capacity, in other words, there is no fiscal federalism."[13]
The two points in the last one are debatable, as while we don't pay direct tax we pay to a central pot, and the ability to amend treaties is limited.
I'd call it a deliberate attempt to mislead the credulous
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And it appears to have worked
So if I said: "If it rains on Monday let Archers Road buy everybody in his street an ice cream"
would you do it?
It possibly did, but not as I suspect you're claiming.
The only people that seem to have paid any heed to it are remainers. If anything, it bumped up the remain vote. Seemingly they're the only ones fool enough to think the campaign was a political party in a position to deliver.
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