The EU debate - Part III

[Tobes]

Are you suggesting that our system is adequate enough to prevent false claims?

Are you suggesting false claimants are not costing the taxpayer a significant amount of money each year?

Why are you seemingly opposed to the idea that the current scrutiny process be improved upon?

Do you have the faintest idea about how the benefits sanctions system works these days?

Are you aware of the fact that we employ 3 times the number of benefit fraud investigators than tax inspectors targeting those who scam the system by avoiding paying what's due? Despite the latter being worth more than 4 times what the former is to the Treasury?

 

[Tobes]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...fits-sanctions-dwp-job-advisers-evidence-work

 

[Tobes]

The rich will only work if you give them money and the poor will only do so if you take it away. Those words might as well be emblazoned across the foreheads of every member of the government, for underneath the facade of compassionate conservatism this appears to be what many on the front bench genuinely believe

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ut-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html

 

[Tiddler]

Do you have the faintest idea about how the benefits sanctions system works these days?

Are you aware of the fact that we employ 3 times the number of benefit fraud investigators than tax inspectors targeting those who scam the system by avoiding paying what's due? Despite the latter being worth more than 4 times what the former is to the Treasury?

As has been stated - the system needs improving. If you stop trying to support Napoleon in his blind efforts at nay saying whatever one of the Brexit crowd say, you might see that.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

1. So the system has got room for improvement?
2. Was the question so difficult that all you could do was swerve it by putting out a question of your own?
3. You suggested, very clearly, that you are opposed to improving the scrutiny format as any attempt to clamp down on benefit fraud would only result in hurting innocent people.

1. Yes. I pointed that out myself.
2. No, it was so stupid that I felt the need to point out it's inanity.
3. No, I didn't. I pointed out very clearly that the current assessment system is **** and intended to fail.
It fails the people that it's supposed to test and it fails the country.
You're intentionally adding a load of crap to what I said. Why?

 

[NSIS]

Do you have the faintest idea about how the benefits sanctions system works these days?

Are you aware of the fact that we employ 3 times the number of benefit fraud investigators than tax inspectors targeting those who scam the system by avoiding paying what's due? Despite the latter being worth more than 4 times what the former is to the Treasury?

Trouble with tax inspectors, Tobes, is that like coppers, they only go after the easy targets. Can't be arsed most of them to put the work in to catch the serious tax dodgers.

It wouldn't surprise me if the benefit fraud investigators took the same lazy tack. Meanwhile the seriously organized criminals are running rings round them.

 

[Tobes]

As has been stated - the system needs improving. If you stop trying to support Napoleon in his blind efforts at nay saying whatever one of the Brexit crowd say, you might see that.

The system needs to be fair, and penalise those at both ends of the spectrum who take the piss. Unfortunately at the bottom end many are penalised without good cause, which causes them to live in extreme poverty.

1 million people use food banks in this country, whilst we shrug when some celebrity is caught evading £m's in tax.

We ignore tax havens, where the Billionaires who own most of our media base themselves. The same Billionaires who drove the Brexit message, which of course would have **** all to do with the EU's desire to clamp down on tax havens.

 

[steveninaster1]

Are you suggesting that our system is adequate enough to prevent false claims?

Are you suggesting false claimants are not costing the taxpayer a significant amount of money each year?

Why are you seemingly opposed to the idea that the current scrutiny process be improved upon?

Yes I am.
There will always be a level of false claim, but if the cost is greater than the amount saved by preventing it then I'd prefer to see it used on tax avoidance.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

As has been stated - the system needs improving. If you stop trying to support Napoleon in his blind efforts at nay saying whatever one of the Brexit crowd say, you might see that.

Let's be honest. You couldn't give a **** about the unemployed whether lazy, desperate to work or anything in between. You're just looking for an angle to justify drastically cutting immigration.

 

[Tobes]

Trouble with tax inspectors, Tobes, is that like coppers, they only go after the easy targets. Can't be arsed most of them to put the work in to catch the serious tax dodgers.

It wouldn't surprise me if the benefit fraud investigators took the same lazy tack. Meanwhile the seriously organized criminals are running rings round them.

The prime difference is that the benefit rules are now draconian, and there's been precisely nothing done to tackle the issue of tax evasion, apart from meaningless soundbites and platitudes.

 

[steveninaster1]

As has been stated - the system needs improving. If you stop trying to support Napoleon in his blind efforts at nay saying whatever one of the Brexit crowd say, you might see that.

How would you improve it?

The level of checks and prevention measures has never ever been higher. There are two further systems for fraud prevention going live next year.

 

[pieguts]

The system needs to be fair, and penalise those at both ends of the spectrum who take the piss. Unfortunately at the bottom end many are penalised without good cause, which causes them to live in extreme poverty.

1 million people use food banks in this country, whilst we shrug when some celebrity is caught evading £m's in tax.

We ignore tax havens, where the Billionaires who own most of our media base themselves. The same Billionaires who drove the Brexit message, which of course would have **** all to do with the EU's desire to clamp down on tax havens.

I guess at the end of the day, it comes down to who can afford the best lawyers and that's not those at the bottom.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

How would you improve it?

The level of checks and prevention measures has never ever been higher. There are two further systems for fraud prevention going live next year.

Stop paying it entirely. Then there won't be any fraudulent claims.
Don't tax anyone, either. No tax dodging, then.

The right are embracing libertarianism, despite it being utterly stupid and unworkable.

 

[petersaxton]

Operating as in acting. The verb. To operate.

Is that what you think that the DWP do? Really?

"encouraging people to work"
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

"encouraging people to work"
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about

In what way does that address my comment or your previous one?

 

[petersaxton]

In what way does that address my comment or your previous one?

it was one of the things DWP does
it was relevant to what we were talking about

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

it was one of the things DWP does
it was relevant to what we were talking about

In what way is it relevant? This is like pulling teeth.
What point are you attempting to make?

 

[NSIS]

The prime difference is that the benefit rules are now draconian, and there's been precisely nothing done to tackle the issue of tax evasion, apart from meaningless soundbites and platitudes.

It's too much like hard work, Tobes! The lazy ****s would rather chase you or me for a few hundred quid than anything too complicated.

There also an element of peanuts and monkeys in it too.

 

[Stan]

Tubby has forgotten to post links to these Daily Saxton articles

Knifeman shouting 'kill all Muslims' stabs a man on a train before chasing passengers through a station in south London, witnesses say

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-one-attack-south-London-train-station.html


'Go back to your own f****** country': Woman launches racist tirade at ‘Muslim taxi driver’ after he claims she refused to pay for her fare

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...slim-taxi-driver-claims-refused-pay-fare.html

 

[petersaxton]

In what way is it relevant? This is like pulling teeth.
What point are you attempting to make?

I'm saying that the DWP has to work hard at getting people working, especially the lazy people. They can check that people are trying to find work much better than they do at present.