The EU debate - Part III

I dismiss earlier technology in the same way as I dismiss the hand crank in modern vehicles. There is nothing in these vehicles that relates to 80's technology other than the aim to produce an autonomous vehicle.
It doesn't make my view weak, it shows that I can see the difference between a machine with the processing power to learn and the set of instructions hardcoded 30 years ago.[/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to win anything, but I have an appointment so will leave you with this summation,
We started with you dismissing my comment about how we have been here before, with the Carney comment around technology resulting in up to 15m job losses. Whether you like it or not, similar comments were made in the 80's when PC were introduced into the workplace.
Somehow this moved on to autonomous vehicles (and you used UBER and delivery companies as examples). Can a driverless vehicle (UBER or otherwise) pick me up from the pub and take me to my front door - no. Will my next delivery from Amazon or whoever, turn up in a driverless vehicle ( I won't even mention how the said parcel will get from the van to my front door) - no. Is the google vehicle, unmanned - no. Has there been occasions when this autonomous vehicle has need the human to take control - yes.
You are now dismissing technologies from the eighties, because it doesn't suit your argument. Someone still has to write the hard code as you put it. You say it has the ability to learn, but only after human intervention.

 

The left are ALWAYS in power in the UK.
In the sense of the word, The Tories are left, Labour are just "Lefter".
One only has to look at the US Republican party to see a better example of a "Right Wing" party.

I equate the Right with being religious, anti abortion, anti homosexual rights, pro war etc

 

Oh yes ,Maggie was left, NOT!!!!

 

Yeah, could be. But I think it's more a case of all the thick ****s voting to come out

 

Maggie hasn't been in power for over a quarter of a century mate.
I am talking the present day Tories.
They legalised same sex marriage ffs.
No "Right Wing" party would ever do that anywhere else in the world.

 

When your attitude increases the propensity toward the very same right wing thinking you are staunchly against, I would question who the thick **** really is.

 

May is not to the left, she is very much to the right, but playing to the center.

 

By UK standards yes.
Take Hillary Clinton for example.
Considered liberal in the US......
By UK standards she would almost certainly be a Tory.

Its a great thing that this Tory government are considered Right Wing to be honest.
If this is as Right as our Right Wing is gonna get, then colour me happy.

 

Possibly the bloke who is taking all this a bit too seriously?

Edit: Are you saying thick ****s would stop being thick if I stopped telling them how thick they are?

 

I don't see how politics can be anything but serious mate.
It's not exactly a comical business is it?
People are shying away from the Left Wing, because the left wing have figured it out, and are trying to cram it down everyone elses throats, and becoming all militant about it.
People will get there, you just need to give them time.
Being Giant, smug dick bags about it will only have the opposite effect.

 

We've done all this before. No doubt that there were well informed people who thought their decision through and decided to vote leave. I disagree, but I've no real issue with those people.

However, I'm equally sure that the actual outcome was decided by a lot of people who either didn't really understand what they were voting for, or were feeling disenfranchised, disillusioned, left behind, etc. They took this opportunity to kick the establishment, as they see it, in the bollocks.,

To the latter, I understand your feelings and it's something that Mark Carney made a firm point about in his recent speech. However, in this case, you're shooting at the wrong target. The EU and immigrants aren't the source of your problems. Gvts, and faceless, stateless, global corporations that avoid paying taxes and treat employees like dirt, those are the root of your problems.

 

This is a football forum. A place for taking the piss, venting frustration, and slagging off the fans of teams (and policies) you have an irrational dislike of.

Granted, an occasional intelligent discussion may break out from time to time, but I doubt this is really the place to look for it.

And I find it best for my own mental health not to take anything too seriously.

 

Have you read any of the previous pages of this thread?

I see what you are saying, I am not looking to get any personal growth from this thread, or to change anyones mind.
Just a place for me to say it how I see it.

 

No, it isn't. This is just what we're being told by the same people that told us to vote for Brexit.
Don't point out the ****ing stupidity and ridiculous arguments being used, as the right-wing special snowflakes get upset?
Pass.

It's an attempt to prevent criticism and stifle debate, which some people on the left are actually buying.
The right are promising things that they have no intention of delivering and pushing for things that they know are **** for the majority.
The blame for anything going wrong is then put firmly on the opposition, regardless of how little they had to do with it.
It's nonsense and journalists have simply stopped doing their job, as clickbait and bullshit are more profitable.

 

I'd be willing to bet that half the people who voted, (Leave and Remain) didn't have a ****ing clue, to be honest.
Some people thought that voting leave would stop terrorists coming to the UK to blow us up.
Some people thought that voting leave would plunge the world into an apocalyptic crisis where civilisation ends and we end up roaming the desert in packs ala Mad Max.

 

Those two are mutually exclusive mate.
Name me one person who was ever won over because he was insulted?
You can still point out the flaws in peoples argument without being a huge dick about it.
If someone calls you a racist ****, a twat and deplorable human being, you will not side with them. Even if they are right, you would rather be wrong, just to be against them.
It's human nature.

 

Mad Max 2 was brilliant. Not often the sequel is better than the first movie, but this one was. Hopefully Referendum 2 will be an improvement on 1.

Beyond Thunderdome was ****e.

 

The problem is that many people simply don't care about facts and reality, but go with what they feel.
Insulting them isn't going to change their minds, but nothing else is, either.
Nobody here's bothering to try and influence other posters anymore, as it's utterly pointless.

It's been shown time and again on here that the truth is irrelevant for some of the contributors.
Claims get pulled apart, stories get shown up as either baseless or lies and they don't shift an inch.
They're fully entrenched in their positions and are happy to be shat upon, as long as others are too.
It's ridiculous.

 

Referendum 2: The Schengen Warrior
Referendum 3: Beyond Eurozone

 

That is true, but its pointless debating with these people. I gave up trying to talk sense into anyone on this board by page 5 of the first EU debate thread.
If history has shown us anything, its that, like religion, and racism, these kinds of things will slowly be bred out of humanity as the world progresses.
We are far more liberal than we were 50 years ago, and far FAR more than 200 years ago.
These things take time, but we are heading in the right direction.