The EU debate - Part III

Fear is a very powerful emotion which seems to overide all other emotions. I'm not being flippant in my responses to Stan or anyone else. It's easy to judge others from the comfort of an armchair.

 

Certainly is! Ask Kustard or Tubby!...

 

Just goes to show that you really are a coward, I would protect my family, you woulds just run off screaming, every man for himself and sod the kids.

Sad Stan owned again and showing his true racist agenda.

 

Gods C is still waiting for you, when you popping over for the fight, I want a ring side seat.

 

The point is you don't know you'd do that as you've not been in that situation but judge those who are. It's an easy stance to have sat in your armchair at home.

Young men are often sent by their families as they have the best chance of making it out alive and make it possible for their families to follow. These aren't just blokes sticking two fingers up at their families and waltzing off to Europe.

 

People pouring scorn on the motives of refugees from Syria are living proof that the twisted right wing agenda of the Mail and Express etc, combined with the likes of Farage and his referendum poster, have done their job.

No longer are some people looking at these desperate people and seeing human beings who need help and refuge, they're seeing supposed threats to our existence and spongers looking for a free lunch.

For shame.

 

Sorry I dont agree with that.

 

Then you're wrong, as that's what often happens.

 

You'd hold your children up as a human shield to protect yourself. People like you are all about self preservation, which is why you want to eradicate anything and anyone you see as different or a threat. You like to chuck accusations around but you can never back them up with a direct quote.

I can.

See my sig.

 

Intimating cowardice is the reason that men go searching for refuge for their families and an opportunity to live a decent life, just shows what a stupid one eyed **** you truly are.

You are literally Brexit personified. A scared bigot, living in a white community, who probably doesn't even know any immigrants, but is frightened of their presence as he's worried his in work benefits might suffer.

 

Vast amounts of these men are not coming from Syria, they just come for a free lunch. Dont be so blinkered to it.
Also look at the trouble many are causing in Europe. they are all want want want.

 

Unlike you who's all give?

I'm aware not all refugees are Syrian. Other parts of the world are ****ed too.

 

You'd think the aid agencies in the refugee camps would be be able to find something useful for these Drs and Engineers to do there, rather than them selling ppi miles away.

It'd help them feel like they're still part of their homeland and doing something to help their fellow strugglers, and free up the financial resources needed to send other drs and engineers over.


There is clearly an emotional element to the situation, but as cold as it sounds, the solutions have to be pragmatic and rational if they're to benefit the majority, rather than those more capable of shouting the loudest.

 

Such as? Isn't the point to help those in most need rather than ****ing them off to protect the majority?

 

I'm not sure what you're asking. You seem to be making the same point I am.

 

Possibly I misread but you say the solutions have to be "pragmatic and rational if they're to benefit the majority". I took that to mean the majority of the population, possibly wrongly. If you mean the majority of refugees, what are these pragmatic and rational solutions?

 

What are you basing these supposed 'facts' on exactly?

What percentage of these displaced people are trying to take the piss?

 

The solutions are as I suggest earlier, to focus on those most in need, rather than those that have more money and a louder voice and are trying to short circuit the immigration system.

An over all step needs to be to end the conflict. No matter which angle I've read on versions of how the conflict arose and has been allowed to progress, the role of the west is shameful, and we cannot shirk responsibility.

While that is going on, places of safety need to be made safer and more attractive, or at least less unnatractive. There are some good documentaries by groups like medicine sans frontiers that show the complexities in doing that and still not being part of the problem.

The system needs to be streamlined so that genuine claims for asylum can be processed more quickly, and those seeking to migrate can join the queue with the rest of the world.

The goal should be for the system produced to facilitate people in that region being able to rebuild their life and the region in a way that suits them.

 

While I don't disagree, that doesn't sound like much of a solution. It's a nice aim though.