The EU debate - Part III

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But surely that's what he should be in jail for? You make some valid points, but the rest of your post above is nothing different to what you were applying to the Nazi thugs. That's where the real difference lies. Both are no different until one gets involved in terrorism and other acts of violence. Granted it may be more currently among religious extremists, but when those links to terrorism or acts of violence occurs they get jailed for it. When it doesn't they're no different to the Nazi thugs going around acting like morons.


You don't think he should have been in prison for the poison he spoke and recruitment he engaged in to his poisonous ideology rather than being given a wider media platform?

There is just no comparison between people like him and those in the extreme far right with either numbers or activity. The far right are rightly condemned and ridiculed, whereas some seem determined to offer justification for the words and activities of the guy proposing death and oppression to non-muslims, gays, women etc.
 
Oh aye, that seems to have gone well.
We don't really know how it's gone, to be honest.
The intelligence services might have learned a lot from him or absolutely nothing.

I've spoken to a number of Muslims about him and they all despise him, by the way.
They viewed him as some sort of bigot's useful idiot.
The media talked to him far, far more than they should have, in their opinions.
He was given a platform when he had virtually no support from the Muslim community.
 
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You are like a broken ****ing record Pete.

The problem with you left wing loonies is that you're not sensible.

You don't understand that I've got an O level. You don't realise that we are Great Britain. We can demand what want, and if those greasy foreigners don't give it to us, we'll send in the gunboats to teach them a lesson, that we are the British!

You're clearly not up to my level of success and knowledge. Let me tell you about...drone...drone...drone...

zzzzzzzzzz!....
 
There was no insult to you anywhere in that comment.
Feel free to point out where it was, if you think otherwise.

Why does being born in the UK matter?
You weren't born in London, yet you feel justified in moving here and benefiting from that.
Others aren't lucky enough to be able to do that, but that doesn't justify ****ting on them for the circumstances of their birth.
You didn't choose to be born here, nor did they choose to be born in Niger.
I moved to London because me and my girlfriend were applying to take degrees and it seemed sensible to both study for degrees in London because it would be easier to live together.
I agree that people dont choose where they are born. I don't see how even PowerSpurs could ensure that would be possible. The world is split into countries and they run their affairs to a certain degree. On the whole they decide who should be able to enter the country so that the country can make a reasonable effort at providing the infrastructure in a sensible way. Just saying that anybody in the world can go to any country they want would be chaos. I would say that all sensible people understand that.
 
You don't think he should have been in prison for the poison he spoke and recruitment he engaged in to his poisonous ideology rather than being given a wider media platform?

There is just no comparison between people like him and those in the extreme far right with either numbers or activity. The far right are rightly condemned and ridiculed, whereas some seem determined to offer justification for the words and activities of the guy proposing death and oppression to non-muslims, gays, women etc.
It just shows that there are some silly people about.
 
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You don't think he should have been in prison for the poison he spoke and recruitment he engaged in to his poisonous ideology rather than being given a wider media platform?

There is just no comparison between people like him and those in the extreme far right with either numbers or activity. The far right are rightly condemned and ridiculed, whereas some seem determined to offer justification for the words and activities of the guy proposing death and oppression to non-muslims, gays, women etc.

For the poison he spoke - no. Nazi thugs speak a lot of poison and recruit a lot of other diseffected people who are unhappy with their lives. That's no different to Religious extremists. Where both cross the line is when they break the law and incite violence or acts of terrorism. The trouble with your argument is the ambiguity and subjective nature of saying who is "speaking poison". You suddenly find yourself heading towards a state control of free thought and ideology.

The far right are rightly condemned and ridiculed? Really DMD? I'd say America is full of them, a significant minority that has affected U.S. foreign policy for decades, involving the death and oppression of many. Some directly and some by proxy.
 
We don't really know how it's gone, to be honest.
The intelligence services might have learned a lot from him or absolutely nothing.

I've spoken to a number of Muslims about him and they all despise him, by the way.
They viewed him as some sort of bigot's useful idiot.
The media talked to him far, far more than they should have, in their opinions.
He was given a platform when he had virtually no support from the Muslim community.

Perhaps if the moderate muslims, lefties and dickheads in the media **** people like that off in the same way they **** off and ridicule other extremists, rather than defending their rights over the rights of others to call bollocks on his hatred, others would see that sort of thing for what it is, and we could all crack on.
 
What mask would that be? The one that ranks the views in the one spouted for years by the guy in the vid, over the ridiculous acts of others?

I'm certainly no fan of the extreme right and the racism faintly masked as nationalism, but to try to put them in the same bracket shows you up for what you are.

Is this on the same level as the clown from Barnsley people posted, or the daft lad burbling about 'muslamic ray guns'?

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No fan of the far right <laugh>

That'll be why you're a UKIP voting, Trump supporting, racism denying, Muslim goading, Breitbart quoting, dickhead.

The 'waving' comment was a massive faux pas, as if a Nazi salute - given EVERYTHING - that stands for, is any different from some Muslim extremists spouting their hate filled bile. They're 2 sides of the same coin, your comment spoke volumes and you're fooling no-one
 
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You don't think he should have been in prison for the poison he spoke and recruitment he engaged in to his poisonous ideology rather than being given a wider media platform?

There is just no comparison between people like him and those in the extreme far right with either numbers or activity. The far right are rightly condemned and ridiculed, whereas some seem determined to offer justification for the words and activities of the guy proposing death and oppression to non-muslims, gays, women etc.

I don't know of anybody here who would condone extremist acts of any kind. Apart from Zlatan, who's probably researching eBay for secondhand gas chambers...

If you've got evidence about any poster here, let's see it!..
 
For the poison he spoke - no. Nazi thugs speak a lot of poison and recruit a lot of other diseffected people who are unhappy with their lives. That's no different to Religious extremists. Where both cross the line is when they break the law and incite violence or acts of terrorism. The trouble with your argument is the ambiguity and subjective nature of saying who is "speaking poison". You suddenly find yourself heading towards a state control of free thought and ideology.

The far right are rightly condemned and ridiculed? Really DMD? I'd say America is full of them, a significant minority that has affected U.S. foreign policy for decades, involving the death and oppression of many. Some directly and some by proxy.

It's apologist deflection like that, that Choudreys replacements thrive on.
 
Yes, it would help. Niger's economy is rubbish though, so how would you suggest that they pay for it?
I thought plenty of people were wanting to spend some time in other countries teaching. That would be a good way to spend the foreign aid budget. It's certainly better than handing over money to criminal politicians. I'm still surprised you hadn't thought of foreign aid. But there you go.
 
I thought plenty of people were wanting to spend some time in other countries teaching. That would be a good way to spend the foreign aid budget. It's certainly better than handing over money to criminal politicians. I'm still surprised you hadn't thought of foreign aid. But there you go.
They already receive lots of foreign aid. It's a significant chunk of their income.
They have things like famine and slavery to deal with though, unfortunately.
 
It's apologist deflection like that, that Choudreys replacements thrive on.

This is where your argument breaks down I take it? You do this a lot. Are you trying to get a rise out of me because you can't reply with a coherent answer?

Btw your earlier comment was patently untrue. You know, as well as I do, that any "guy proposing death and oppression to non-muslims, gays, women" would be breaking the law and therefore subject to prosecution. It's pure sensationalist hyperbole on your part.
 
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