The EU debate - Part III

They don't.
If they think the UK can just say to the EU: "These are the terms of our leaving. You have no say in the matter." then you will be very upset when you find out that the EU will demand to negotiate.

 

Or so they claim, right up to the point of being elected

 

The people have given their views.
Are you saying that the people wanted to leave the EU but remain as a member in all but name?

 

You got that right!...

 

Well, there is that. But effectively we can then vote people out who don't represent us. But the right of Parliament to decide is fundamental.

 

That's what they're elected for to make decisions on behalf of the populous who elected them

You and your fellow leavers were screaming about democracy, we won get over it, we've got our country back we'll make our own decisions now etc wtc ad infinitum

What May was proposing to do was unconstitutional, the courts have protected that very same democracy that you have been babbling on about since June. However, this time our democracy doesn't suit you, so your cry arseing about it.

 

Of course the EU will be involved in negotiations, but the point I'm making is that from the UK's perspective it is right, as has been confirmed in law, that Parliament decides on the terms, not an unelected PM and her team that have no mandate.

 

What the High Court has said, you dimwit, is that May cannot ride roughshod over parliament, and just push her version of Brexit through without their consent.

 

So if parliament decides on the terms then how can the EU negotiate if the terms have already been decided?

 

I don't see it that way Pete. There has to be checks and balances on government. We've voted out of the EU and that seems to be being accepted, there seems nothing wrong in my view with the way it's done involving input from parliament.

There's a limit to what they can reveal and what they can promise though.

 

Reality:
UK: This is going to happen
EU: No it isn't
UK: But parliament has decided
EU: We don't care

 

Unfortunately, you were misled. Not only by the Tories who failed to disclose that the referendum was merely advisory, but also by the likes of Farage and Boris who made promises that they admitted were lies the very next day. The premises that were set for brexit were pie in the sky. Nobody voted to leave the single market, they voted on the back of a pack of lies.

 

So you think it's right that the UK can vote to leave the EU but remain a member of all the EU organisations?

 

what promises did Farage make?

 

The EU has already said that we can have access to the single market. It upsets bigots that it includes free movement of people, but there you go.
Our economic future is far too important to throw down the chute, to appease the little Englanders.

 

Parliament decides on the terms for the UK to negotiate with the EU. It's fairly straight forward in terms of a concept.

 

and what happens if the EU doesn't agree with the terms?

 

I see nothing wrong in us working and dealing with the EU, in fact I'd say we should be. It won't be with all organisations in it though and it will be from a different position to the one we had.

The EU in it's current format is creaking, so our hand will strengthen in the future, so any deals negotiated now can be renegotiated in the future.

 

This ^

I said after the result that one of the things that needed to come out of is entire debacle, was to reinstate the legal requirement for political advertising to meet the advertising code regulations that they were withdrawn from in '99.

The blatant undeliverable lies that were portrayed as facts during the debate were scandalous and did influence the vote. What's even remotely democratic about a vote being won after telling the populous a crock of ****?

Well we did talk a load of ****, but who cares we won, seems to have been the message.

 

Of course we can have access to the single market. Every country in the world has access to the single market. The problem is that the bigots don't understand things like that. They think that to have access you have to be part of the single market.