The EU debate - Part III

Bingo.

 

That would be extremely stupid!...I'm trusting that May isn't extremely stupid...

 

Or at least less stupid than Kustard.

Still, we are the UK. Wave your flags in the air and tell Jonny Foreigner we are having it on our terms.

 

Your getting the hang of it now.There's hope for you yet.

 

Tragically there are people who think like Pete. Not quite as tragically there are others who will follow people like him without really being sure why.

 

Tragic?.... Think how boring life would be if we all agreed with each other.

 

To be clear, of course the EU would like to come to an agreement with us. But, to assume it will be on our own terms, that the EU is desperate and has so much to lose, is both arrogant and extremely naive.

Which is why poor old Pete gets his doors blown off every time he tries to spout that crap!

 

But there is a chance we'll do ok?....... Or at least better than most of you seem to think.

 

There is always a chance. Our timing is pretty crap considering the current health of the global economy.

 

Indeed it would. The world would probably be a better place without xenophobes yearning for the empire, however.

 

Quite.

 

I hope so! I want what's best for the UK.

But if total twats like the three Brexiterrs get their way, we'll end up royally ****ed!

 

While Theresa keeps on shouting Brexit means Brexit she cant say what that means for the country and its residents and that is odd because she is being told every single day by people who understands the problems in this country and more astonishing people from all over the world......We are no further out of the EU today than we were before the vote but some businesses and the banks are paying the price and losing money......It's a fact that there will be no single market however much she tries without freedom of movement.....Boris said we can do a deal with individual EU countries to use the single market and the very next day was told there is no possibility of that ever happening......We are better off in the EU and the quicker Theresa accepts this the better things will be......dont forget she voted to remain in the first place and its only a matter of time before she will have a vote in parliament and with the remain MP's have a huge majority then this nonsense can stop...

 

Blimey,so much delusion in one post.

 

Not controversial enough?

 

Not bad,but nothing to get the blood pressure up.I'm working on my next thread livener.

 

We are going to leave the EU. No parliament revolt, no second referendum, no referendum on the terms of exit - does anybody think the EU will negotiate with the UK if we say, oh, by the way, anything we say is subject to it being ratified by a referendum. The EU will say: "Have all the referendums you want BEFORE you start negotiating!" We have had the referendum ... a straight forward in/out - now it's up to the government to negotiate. There's not going to be anybody saying: "We want X but if the EU say Y we will settle for Z". That's not how negotiations are conducted. You'll be told when the negotiations are concluded.

 

Might help if they told us how they intended to start to begin with. Especially as they still seem (geddit) to be arguing amongst themselves.

 

Still. Would have been nice to know what we were voting on rather than guessing.

 

Right now the civil service are running around like headless chickens trying to work out how much of our legislation still makes sense if you remove reference to EU laws, which functions we have devolved power to, how long it will take to recreate those bodies and how we move the work back.
Most of the negotiation will be how we unpick ourselves from the integration that has occurred and how EU bodies in the UK will be moved to another country. More about the EU administration than our trade or free movement post brexit.
Article 50 says the terms of brexit will be negotiated within a framework of how a country sets out its future relationship with the EU but it doesn't say a future relationship should be agreed. I see no harm in the government setting out its future framework and you can guarantee that when they reveal this to the EU we will find out anyway.
The idea that we will trigger Article 50 and have a fully fledged free trade agreement in time for our exit is pie in the sky. We either have to remain in the free trade area for an agreed time while a trade agreement is negotiated or we leave and have no agreement.

As far as I'm concerned article 50 should be triggered as soon as possible and the government make public that it is looking for a phased withdrawal that involves no leaving of the single market until an agreed free trade is in place. It should agree to pay into the EU while it untangles itself in a controlled manner and ask for a handbrake on immigration of an agreed net number of citizens from the EU while this takes place.