The EU debate - Part III

[NSIS]

You really are getting more desperate as the day goes on;
The economy comment = fact
The scared little englanders = fact
Opinion as fact (the lag effect, along with many others) = fact
Swung the vote = fact
And that's just today, shall I go on? It's all there in black and white!

No, they are not facts. They are claims by you.
It's more than clear that the xenophobic vote was the decidíng factor in the vote. That and those who thought that if Cameron was for it, they were against.

Once again, you can provide no evidence of alleged errors I made, nor disprove what I've asserted.

When you've got something sensible to say, do let me know.

 

[pieguts]

I'm laughing, pal. You're a ****ing joke, like your halfwit new pal, Dull.

You make all sorts of claims about what I supposedly said then when I ask you to support any of them, you can't.

It's all in black and white, if you want to claim you didn't make them it's really up to you.
If I'm a ****ing joke for having the audacity to challenge your half arsed posts, then so be it, I certainly won't be loosing any sleep.
Why do you keep calling me pal. I am neither a "pal" of you or Hull, I don't know either of you. Or is it supposed to initimidate me?

 

[NSIS]

It's all in black and white, if you want to claim you didn't make them it's really up to you.
If I'm a ****ing joke for having the audacity to challenge your half arsed posts, then so be it, I certainly won't be loosing any sleep.
Why do you keep calling me pal. I am neither a "pal" of you or Hull, I don't know either of you. Or is it supposed to initimidate me

I've asked you several times over your various claims to provide evidence, show me where I actually said what you claim. You can't, because I never said it.

The rest, that you're currently ranting about, are my assertions. Pleased feel free to disagree, or show where my assertions are unsupportable.

It's your posts that are more than half arsed. You haven't got a ****ing clue what you're talking about!

 

[pieguts]

No, they are not facts. They are claims by you.
It's more than clear that the xenophobic vote was the decidíng factor in the vote. That and those who thought that if Cameron was for it, they were against.

Once again, you can provide no evidence of alleged errors I made, nor disprove what I've asserted.

When you've got something sensible to say, do let me know.

There you go again, in the very first sentence, trying to portray your opinion as facts. As assumptions go, there is probably an element of truth in it, but unless you can provide evidence of conversations you have had with people who voted leave (that's all 17 million, by the way) then it is only your opinion.
If you want to trawl back through all the posts and provide evidence you haven't made the comments I claim, then feel free, I'm certainly not wasting my time. You can come back now and claim victory because I won't play your games, I don't care. This is something you always accuse Hull of?
I have said lots of sensible things today (and a couple of not sensible), but at least I have the balls to apologise if I have made inappropriate comments.
Arrogance is a very ugly trait, so I guess in real life you must then be a very ugly person (and don't mean looks)?

 

[pieguts]

Their there, not that hard to find. That's the trouble with the written word, it's hard to deny it when it's right in front of you.

Not sure what happened there, but I'm responding to Spains last post to me.

 

[NSIS]

Their there, not that hard to find. That's the trouble with the written word, it's hard to deny it when it's right in front of you.

Ok, go find them then.

Show me where I said that there had been no growth ( your claim ). Where I said that an Italian bank collapse would not affect Europe.

You won't, because you can't.

 

[NSIS]

There you go again, in the very first sentence, trying to portray your opinion as facts. As assumptions go, there is probably an element of truth in it, but unless you can provide evidence of conversations you have had with people who voted leave (that's all 17 million, by the way) then it is only your opinion.
If you want to trawl back through all the posts and provide evidence you haven't made the comments I claim, then feel free, I'm certainly not wasting my time. You can come back now and claim victory because I won't play your games, I don't care. This is something you always accuse Hull of?
I have said lots of sensible things today (and a couple of not sensible), but at least I have the balls to apologise if I have made inappropriate comments.
Arrogance is a very ugly trait, so I guess in real life you must then be a very ugly person (and don't mean looks)?

Stubborn ignorance is also a very ugly trait.

The rest is rambling nonsense!...,

 

[pieguts]

Ok, go find them then.

Show me where I said that there had been no growth ( your claim ). Where I said that an Italian bank collapse would not affect Europe.

You won't, because you can't.

I don't normally do this, along with not posting links, pictures, memes etc.
But we can start with post 20269, if you like?

 

[Tobes]

There you go again, in the very first sentence, trying to portray your opinion as facts. As assumptions go, there is probably an element of truth in it, but unless you can provide evidence of conversations you have had with people who voted leave (that's all 17 million, by the way) then it is only your opinion.
If you want to trawl back through all the posts and provide evidence you haven't made the comments I claim, then feel free, I'm certainly not wasting my time. You can come back now and claim victory because I won't play your games, I don't care. This is something you always accuse Hull of?
I have said lots of sensible things today (and a couple of not sensible), but at least I have the balls to apologise if I have made inappropriate comments.
Arrogance is a very ugly trait, so I guess in real life you must then be a very ugly person (and don't mean looks)?

Here have some facts http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

33% of leave voters said immigration was their prime reason for voting leave

So that's nearly 6 million and 4 times the size of the Leave majority, so 'little Englanders' and xenophobes did decide the result

Happy to help

 

[pieguts]

Stubborn ignorance is also a very ugly trait.

The rest is rambling nonsense!...,

Rambling it may be, nonsense it's not!

If I displayed stubborn ignorance, I wouldn't use words like apologise. Kind of negates your comment doesn't it?

 

[pieguts]

Here have some facts http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

33% of leave voters said immigration was their prime reason for voting leave

So that's nearly 6 million and 4 times the size of the Leave majority, so 'little Englanders' and xenophobes did decide the result

Happy to help

So you have answered Spains question then. 66% said it didn't, I take it?
So therefore, how can you claim that it was the immigration voters who swung it. That's no more a valid claim than people who don't like other aspects of Europe. Surely the immigration voters were a given, seeing as they have acknowledged it, so it was the other 66% who voted for other reasons, who ultimately "swung it".
That's a very selective claim Tobes!

 

[DMD]

Here have some facts http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

33% of leave voters said immigration was their prime reason for voting leave

So that's nearly 6 million and 4 times the size of the Leave majority, so 'little Englanders' and xenophobes did decide the result

Happy to help

It's ridiculous to conflate immigration, which could be border controls, with 'little Englanders' and 'xenophobes''

There were a fair few from commonwealth countries that voted leave so that their family stood a better chance of joining them. They hardly meet your criteria either.

 

[Tobes]

So you have answered Spains question then. 66% said it didn't, I take it?
So therefore, how can you claim that it was the immigration voters who swung it. That's no more a valid claim than people who don't like other aspects of Europe. Surely the immigration voters were a given, seeing as they have acknowledged it, so it was the other 66% who voted for other reasons, who ultimately "swung it".
That's a very selective claim Tobes!

Are you taking the piss?

The margin of victory for leave was about 1.4m iirc, therefore the 6 million who voted leave due to immigration swung the vote.

If you'd have bothered to read the link, you'd have also seen that 80% of leave voters saw immigration as a force for ill and 81% of them thought the same about multiculturalism.

Xenophobia, racism and blind stupidity drove the result.

 

[Tobes]

It's ridiculous to conflate immigration, which could be border controls, with 'little Englanders' and 'xenophobes''

There were a fair few from commonwealth countries that voted leave so that their family stood a better chance of joining them. They hardly meet your criteria either.

Go and read the section on 'force for ill' and come back to me Wooden top

 

[DMD]

Go and read the section on 'force for ill' and come back to me Wooden top

In the spirit of this thread, I don't open link of yours, as it'll just be some social justice bullshit stumpy.

The more enlightened on the left are blaming bigots like you for their failure.

 

[NSIS]

So you have answered Spains question then. 66% said it didn't, I take it?
So therefore, how can you claim that it was the immigration voters who swung it. That's no more a valid claim than people who don't like other aspects of Europe. Surely the immigration voters were a given, seeing as they have acknowledged it, so it was the other 66% who voted for other reasons, who ultimately "swung it".
That's a very selective claim Tobes!

It tipped the balance. Which was my original claim!

 

[Tobes]

In the spirit of this thread, I don't open link of yours, as it'll just be some social justice bullshit stumpy.

The more enlightened on the left are blaming bigots like you for their failure.

I blame the 80% who think immigration is a force for ill personally. I couldn't give a **** about how some people are trying to flower up what happened as some form of seismic shift in politics. It wasn't that complicated.

 

[NSIS]

I don't normally do this, along with not posting links, pictures, memes etc.
But we can start with post 20269, if you like?

I can't see post numbers on my iPhone, I'll look on my pad when I return. But I'm equally sure it doesn't say what you claimed!

 

[pieguts]

Are you taking the piss?

The margin of victory for leave was about 1.4m iirc, therefore the 6 million who voted leave due to immigration swung the vote.

If you'd have bothered to read the link, you'd have also seen that 80% of leave voters saw immigration as a force for ill and 81% of them thought the same about multiculturalism.

Xenophobia, racism and blind stupidity drove the result.

Nope not taking the piss and don't ever read links. I am directly responding to your words.
You claimed that 33% of the leave voters openly admitted that immigration was the prime factor for their vote.
That leaves 66% of the voters, who voted for reasons other than immigration? As the leave campaign was centred around "taking back control of our country" and led by idiots like Farage, I'm going to make an educated guess that the "immigration voters" were pretty much a given (i have to careful here that I don't express my opinion as fact). Therefore the "swing voters" as you put it would come from the 66%. If I was running any kind of campaign that's where I would be focusing my efforts as they are the voters whose minds could changed?
You can't claim any of the 80% as they would not openly admit (I guess) that they had voted on the immigration card?

 

[pieguts]

I can't see post numbers on my iPhone, I'll look on my pad when I return. But I'm equally sure it doesn't say what you claimed!

Below is word for word what you posted....

The global banking system took a seismic shock in 2008. It has never made a recovery, indeed as have not the major economies of the world. And ever since there has been a global problem.

Italian banks have been a basket case as long as I can remember. It's really nothing new....

If I'm a touchy tart' you're an ignorant one!...

If the European banking system collapses, you won't have to worry about your precious Brexit. It'll take the global economic system down with it...