The EU debate - Part II

I'm going to claim that you don't set out your plans to the world before you start negotiating. But that is obvious. But it would appear that the obvious needs explaining to people who think you should set out your negotiation plans before you start negotiating.

 

The deal is more about corporations being able to shift it's workforce for each contract than caring about the workers in each country.
So while it is not about an EU citizen being able to just go and work in the US, it is about me going to work in the US to fulfil a contract my employers have won and then return, therefore providing little employment benefit in the host country.

 

It must be really mundane and I get the feeling you would tell everybody what your negotiating plans were. Do you ever get asked back and do more "negotiating" or are you one of these people who prefers to be told what to do?

 

And there's me thinking that you said "Even in TTIP the US is asking for free movement of workers."

 

Yes they are. I never said all workers or the workforce as you are trying to imply.
The TTIP deal includes negotiation on movement of workers in addition to being a free trade deal, something you claimed isn't linked, however TTIP shows this isn't true.

 

Is there anything you are thrilled by? Or is life full of boredom?

 

In the investment banking business there's been a quid pro quo agreement with the Americans for many years. We freely exchange personnel.

I worked over there for the best part of four years.

 

To be fair I didn't know you were a lesbian until I saw a picture of you.

 

It doesn't matter a toss what their 'negotiating plans' are, as the key issue will be non negotiable from the EU's perspective.

Anyone who genuinely thinks that we can walk away from the table with a free trade deal and no freedom of movement has got rocks in their head.

As what would happen across the EU if the UK ended up with all of the benefits of EU membership in terms of trade but retained closed borders? The Euro sceptics and far right in a number of nations would be demanding a referendum in the hope of attaining the same deal, it's simply not going to happen. Once they activate article 50 and the 3 stooges are despatched to Brussels, they'll come back with a bloody nose.

 

I enjoy sports, Pete, along with most things people of my age enjoy. I hope to not give these up forever and follow a long path to morbid obesity should I choose to go freelance with what I do some day.

 

So when people say "free trade" then you wouldn't think it means ALL trade is free?
When people say "freedom of movement" you wouldn't think it necessarily would include EU citizens being able to move to the UK. A few UK citizens being able to move to Germany would be enough to call it "freedom of movement" in your mind?

 

You're too bright for that.

But yes, seriously it's important. Treat your body like **** and it will eventually treat you like ****!...

 

You only are able to be self employed if people think you have the ability to help them.
I've got a feeling you haven't seen what I look like. You seem to be one of those people who is not hindered by knowledge or the thought process.

 

What? Even without the USA being part of the EU? It's amazing what people can do outside the EU isn't it?

 

Yes naive people make that mistake. However free trade agreements always contain negotiated conditions to protect aspects of countries industry.

 

Your profile photo is of your own face and Stan regularly posts that picture of you at some sort of soiree.

Like it or not, Pete, I'm well educated (maybe even more so than you) but don't feel the need to try and put everyone who disagrees with my point of view down through a sense of self-importance

 

If you didn't have me on ignore you'd know that everyone has seen how ****ing huge you are

 

So during negotiations we can say we want to be able to decide which people we want to live in the UK and it wouldn't automatically be refused because "freedom of movement" would include "non-freedom of movement"?

 

I think he might have done...

As we all have.

Lard arse