The EU debate - Part II

Because the punishment doesn't necessarily fit the crime apart from in the most simplistic way possible. There's a myriad of reasons why someone might kill someone else. Some are deserving of a worse punishment than others.

Again, it's stupid to punish people based on the desires of the victim or their family. In an extreme hypothetical example, the family might not want the person imprisoned at all. That doesn't mean they're fit to roam the streets.

 

You've asked us both out and we both said no. Move on Kustard. Try Bluey, he's keen to meet up with men he's met on t'internet.

 

He's already slow enough. That's how the English nationalist writes, in pidgin English. Ironic isn't it?!

 

Should a drink driver be jailed for life if they run some one over and kill them?
How about someone driving over the speed limit or using their phone? If they run some over or cause a crash should they be jailed for life?

 

You get a 17 year old who's been abused as a kid, he ends up on drugs because his mind is ****ed up, he loses all sense of reality and normality and he kills someone in a botched robbery.

Do you execute him?

Or do you put him in a box forever?

Or do you put him in a box for a long time while trying to clear up his messed up mind?

 

Thou shalt not kill.
Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord.
Judge not, lest thou be judged.

 

Prison didn't deter you?

 

Surely if we are a Christian nation then we shouldn't be judging or punishing anyone at all because of - "Thou shalt not judge" and that bit about 'forgiveness'

 

'If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death' Leviticus

A bit of research throws up the question as to why the style of this section of the bible is completely different to the rest and so many scholars now believe it was added from up to five different sources by priests at a later date to fit the rules of the culture at that time.
Perhaps the bible is due a rewrite to reflect current culture?

 

Ohh by the way the UK is the biggest violator of the International Arms Trade Treaty - arming despots and dictators around the world who carry out war crimes (can anyone say Yemen or Iraq under Saddam?

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/media-centr...y-it-helped-create-to-regulate-the-arms-trade

 

I'm sure that some of Christian fundamentalists in The Tea Party would love to see that reintroduced into law!

Whic goes to show that extremists are extremists are extremists, whichever religion or culture they profess to be.

 

Well yeah. Like everything else in the bible, those passages are open to interpretation.

One way to look at it is that only god can judge a man's soul. In the context of homosexuality, for example, that would appear to mean "who am I to judge?"

You'd have to be nuts to say the law cannot judge a man's actions, & hold him to account when his actions harm others. But a Christian ought to be very cautious even about doing that.

The instruction not to kill is unambiguous though. As is Christ's instruction to love and forgive your enemy.

It's debatable to what extent we are, or ever have been, a Christian nation. But if we were, then there should be no place for the death penalty.

 

Disagree about the rewrite. The late 16th and early 17th centuries bestowed two great gifts on anybody lucky enough to be born with English as their native language; William Shakespeare than the King James Bible.

I would personally support the death by stoning of anyone who tries to rewrite or update the King James into modern English - starting with the philistines who gave us the "Good News" bible.

I am guessing most Christians and Jews read Leviticus as an interesting historical document. Though I have personally met people (American of course) who will say "every word in the bible is literally true", them guys are nuts.

My own view ; the Bible, the Torah, the Quran may all contain the word of god (whoever she is). But it is the word of god received, recorded and interpreted by man. And man is imperfect. The man or men who wrote Leviticus were probably just way off.

 

Every case is different.Premeditated murder if there's no doubt should carry the ultimate punishment.Other crimes should
also carry stiffer punishments and prison should not be a holiday camp.Thoughts numbskull?

 

Prison is no ****ing holiday camp, believe me.

Somehow, I thought you'd know that.

 

No,i'm gonna kill again,either Tobes or Nsis

 

Well its not supposed to be nice is it?

 

Yes it's all about context and that's why there's certain contradictions in all the holy books that are like loopholes and allow things like capital punishment (we were - a long time ago, a Christian country, as was most of Europe) - so things like hangings, stonings, jihadi's, papal backed assassins, holy wars, crusades ect were allowed even though a central tenant of the religions and holy books was one of peace and in the Bible it says 'Thou shalt not kill'. Not to mention that these contradictions have then been used by extremists to enact religious terrorism (Islamic, Burmese Buddist terrorist, IRA, KKK ect) or wars.

But as you say we aren't a Christian country any more, we are secular and the law should be too - because religion is open to so many different interpretations, and also we should be open to anyone believing in any religion (or none) as long as it isn't something crazy like Satanism!

 

I think you're a bigoted redneck!....

 

So lets get this straight - you have proof that capital punishment offers no deterrent on crime/murders committed, you must surely know how inefficient our legal system is and how many innocent people get false imprisoned every year (who knows it could be you next - I mean you've already made a threat to kill two people on the Internet (jokingly obviously) - but hey, somebody could try framing you for attempted murder if Tobes and NSIS get into an accident!

But you are still for capital punishment, despite knowing all this? And knowing that it leaves innocent/wrongfully accused people no right to appeal?