The EU debate - Part II

It's in the video description.

"The management of “unaccompanied minors” in Rennes is today becoming a real political and public security problem as it connects with various forms of delinquency and abuse. In the centre of the city, the “unaccompanied minors” are now well known and, it seems, they have decided to break their isolation by assembling in gangs of 15 to 20 individuals at the top of the legendary “rue de la soif” [Street of Thirst] (rue Saint Michel) to impose themselves, feeling the wallets of passers-by, even importuning young ladies, who are more and more frightened by the liberties taken by the bold “minors”. “Girls who cross the Place Saint-Michel in the evening all say they don’t feel safe here." http://www.fdesouche.com/756679-ren...pouillent-les-passants-et-rudoient-les-femmes

 

They are still refugees as they haven't been given asylum into any country, they are still living in a camp - called 'The Jungle' in Calais - which should give you an idea of the conditions there. While the camp has neither security, adequate shelter, food or provisions, and is reliant on aid organised by volunteers, it is due to be destroyed by the French Government - parts of it already have been. The parts that have been destroyed was pretty nasty, they sent in riot police in first against the unarmed survivors of a war, then they fired gas canisters at them and water cannons were deployed before their make shift shelters - the only homes they had, along with most of their belongs, where bulldozed flat and destroyed.

They were given nowhere to go, no help or direction!

 

They don't look like minors to me I have to say. Awful violence though and truly inexcusable! Reminds me of the violence during Euro 2016 a bit, with chairs thrown and the violence centred around outside cafes!

The site fdesouche.com seems to be a anti-muslim, right wing blog/site

 

Why should they be granted asylum in western Europe? What obligation do our governments have to give these people whatever they want? What is the moral case for taking in these people? Why should we not worry about hordes of young Muslim men looking to settle in our countries? I don't give a **** about the conditions, I hope they are the most terrible conditions imaginable by a western standard, it is their choice to live in this 'jungle' as they await an opportunity to break even more laws across an entire continent. It's been there for far too long and should have been demolished the second it popped up, all of those 'desperate, poor refugees' need to be sent back to the furthest point possible from which they entered Europe.

 

They don't look like minors, because they're not minors, but this is what we are dealing with, politicians holding "#Refugees Welcome" signs going on about 'unaccompanied refugee children' and how we should save them all. They'll have you believe that these 'unaccompanied refugee children' are actually children, you know, below the age of 16, but it simply isn't the case.

So?

 

You have some points about their conduct in other people's countries, and that needs to be addressed.

It would help greatly if both the UK and the USA, especially, stopped ****ing around with, and ****ing up, other people's countries. There might be a few less refugees!..

 

If we hadn't illegally bombed the **** out of their countries they would probably not be refugees at all.

 

When France, UK, Russia and US help to destroy their homes I am amazed you can ask such a question.
And while these people fill and empoverish neighbouring countries that can ill afford to support them you think we should **** the door in their faces. At the end of the day they are human beings no different from you and I.

Also if you think this trail of human misery is going to stop anytime soon you are very wrong, it is the tip of the iceberg thanks to global warming making more and more areas uninhabitable.

 

We destroy their countries, which would surely mean they would harbour bad feelings towards us, and yet they are desperately flocking to us?
We are told it is our fault for fuelling terrorism and extremism by our actions, and then we deem it acceptable to let these same people into our countries?

 

Look at the numbers from Syria and you will find a different story.

4.8 million are in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq.
6.5 million are homeless within Syria.
1 million have come to europe( less than 10%)

If in an area of 500 million people we cannot find it possible to help 0.2% of the population find a new life then we really cannot call ourselves civilised.
The vast majority are just looking for somewhere secure to live, they have no desire to cause unrest and therefore force themselves to be moved on.

 

I'm not quite sure why you're giving me a list of numbers, but my questions still stand, so if you want to answers those then go ahead. If not, stop trying to move the goalposts and stop replying to me.

Not an argument.
Do you have anything to back that up?

 

Your goalposts are to victimise other human beings because when you look at them all you see are terrorists. My answer to you was very simple, the vast majority are not flocking to us as you claim.
It's just another 'reds in the bed' scare story.

If you want more I suggest you look to the UNHCR

 

What happens if you keep letting people in, suddenly more people from safe counties such as Pakistan, Iran, India, loss of African countries will want to come in, we "Europe" don't have the infrastructure for so many so quick.

Better to control it now or millions will want to come for cake and honey.

The UK are only bombing military targets, not homes, you will find that is Russia and to some degree France and a bit of the USA, who bust bomb anything and everything for the sake of it.

 

You don't know that, I haven't said anything along those lines. I didn't say the vast majority were flocking to us, I didn't say any specific amount, I don't feel I have to, we can see pictures and videos to show us the scale of what we are dealing with. If you feel that is an adequate answer then so be it, you can answer the other one now.

I'm not entirely sure if UNHCR would conduct surveys asking these people what their motives are, besides, the last time I checked UNHCR statistics they were telling me that 73% of these 'refugees' are all men, they'd since conflated those statistics with other bits of information to vastly reduce that published number. Of course it's a very idealistic way of looking at it that they all want to come and live in peace with us and cause us no harm and be the bestest fwends we could ever imagine, for someone who is incredibly naive it would be. For those of us who understand the culture they are coming from, for those of us who are familiar with history and the tactics used by certain sects of society, it gives us very legitimate reasons to be concerned.

 

Come off it, Custard!! Do you really think the yanks give a flying **** about how many Iraquis or Syrians they kill?

They're just "collateral damage" they couldn't give a toss!...

For their own political motives and aims, both the USA & the UK have been **** stirring in those countries for quite a while. What a fantastic job they've done too!..

Typical ****ing Yanks! They **** everything up everywhere they go!...

 

Call me Dave lost a vote to bomb Syria, so we did not, the attacks the planes are doing now are very precise on targets, the assets used now can take out individual targets and not civilians. Jihadi John for one.

But yes the US and UK have for many years prodded them and as always, ****ed it up.

I did say the yanks "bomb anything and everything for the sake of it."

The Middle East has always been a hotbed of trouble and will continue to be so.

 

Yeah and Russia, Australia, Canada, Brazil and Thailand.

Do you use a colour chart when making your decision as to who can come in?
I think the idea of refugees in need of help past you by.

 

To generalise about the multiple cultures is as naive as to claim that there might not be a terrorist amongst them who wishes us harm.
You can never tar everyone with the same brush.
So far however it would appear our terrorists are home grown and radicalised in the West on a meal of watching the crowds gathered into concentration camps with no belongings and bombed out cities.

Tell me how much contact you've had with the culture of North Africa, the Middle East?
When I've been to these places I have met decent human beings.

A little fact to go with your 70% are male. Of those pulled out of the Mediterranean, 82% of women drown but 65% of men drown.

 

So why are so many coming to the Europe, MEN and not Women and Children?
Not so many are refugees but migrants.
But stick to your colour charts, if that helps.

 

See my previous edit.
Quite simply they don't make it,
The refugees from Syria are 50:50 male/female.
Large family groups can't logistically travel or afford the crossing, family's will never let a daughter travel alone, but they will a son and often the wife a children remain in Turkey and Lebanon because it is impossible to travel further.