There are also far fewer English managers to choose from because of the influx of foreign managers to our game. To be fair to our 2 foreign England managers, we qualified for all tournaments under them. Hodgson has to prove he can do that.
The England Question
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doing nothing won't work either... take your pick. try or try not.
There is also the point that if we change from the ground up and the youngsters get better, top clubs won't have to buy the foreigner youngsters.
I disagree Blacky. Luck doesn't come into it... ask Gary player! The more he practised the luckier he got, I believe was his famous phrase when questioned about his luck.
The aim of the game is to do better before penalties. I never moan about losing on pens, becasue that is about the moment. It is the way we continually play the same that needs to change. if we don't change, then there will be no change.
They still will, why help to develope a player when they can get a foreign youngster for cheap. The top needs to be changed as bad as the bottom does.
We need to do a Germany and limit the amount of foreigners in our game. Also do as they do and make it so all teams have to have a academy up to scratch with the league they are in.
ok, last point maybe a good idea, but you are stating that change at the bottom won't work. Do you suggest we do nothing at the bottom?
Some very good points and a very good post flt. It's a shame there aren't more coaches like yourself in kids' football.
I didn't say it won't work as a whole, sure it will make the youngsters better. But most clubs will still be far to lazy to carry that development through. Both need to be changed in order to see a bigger improvement.
Trouble is the Prem are far to powerful, can you see them changing anything with the amount of money they get.
Re foreign players and managers, I think cause and effect gets muddled up. They're here because the English ones aren't good enough rather than the other way round. Foreign influence adds quality and diversity to our leagues. Problem is, our development model is flawed and we don't produce enough of our own quality. The number of foreigners in our league is due to our own failings.
So it's not the fact that bringing in foreigners makes the prem more money?. Until there is a restriction on foreign players the national team will still be 2nd best. It's all well saying that's start changing from the bottom, but the top needs to be changed aswell.
If you cap the amount of foreigners it will give our home grown talent even more chance to shine, rather then drown under the sea of foreign players.
Germany changed both their grass roots and the amount of foreigners allowed. Didn't hurt them did it?.
I'm sorry, but the rules on foreigners in Germany are the same as in England. There are no limits. To impose them would breach EU Law. Also, Spain have a similar amount of foreigners in their top division. What is worrying is that 45% of players in the championship are foreign. That is far higher than for any other second division (Portugal is next with 36%). This shows that the pathway to the top is being blocked for English players, who in previous years would have been able to get game time at this level. However, the answer is not to put caps on foreogn players. It's to improve our talent. Something must also be done about the cost of English players. £7 million for Jay Rodriguez is laughable when put in the context of what that can buy you if you look abroad.
I heard they had a cap on the amount of foreigners they could play in the German cup, must of been wrong.
Also at youth level Germany have a rule were at least 12 players in each intake of new youth must be German. They also must have at least 12 players in each youth level that can play for Germany. Those were the rules in 2011 doubt they have changed.
Were as in England it's only 8 home grown players, homegrown meaning they played in england for 3 years or more. They don't even need to be english. That's were we are slipping up.
I can't be bothered to re-write my letter that I have sent to the FA on this forum as it is very long indeed,but all I can say is that I have made some valid points about youth development,caps of the number of foreign players in the Premier League,better co-operation between the FA and the Premier League and a change in the mentality of the coaches and parents.
They will probably throw it in the bin,but at least I've given it a go...
They will probably throw it in the bin,but at least I've given it a go...
Capping foreign players at the top (if that's even legal) without change from the bottom would just lead to teams full of not very good players that wouldn't compete on the European stage, leading to English football losing a whole load of money and the standard of football dropping dramatically. Bringing the youngsters up to the standard of the professional game is a better strategy than bringing the professional game down to the standard of the youngsters.
The reason England are 'so bad' (if you describe getting to the last 8 in Europe as being 'so bad') is because in Europe we only have the 8th largest population (England not United Kingdom), so by judging by that, we have no right to get past the quarter finals of the European Championships, and the quarter finals itself should be a struggle.
Obviously there is far more to it than population, however it makes a large impact if you have few, or many, players to choose from.
However in fairness, I think it is harsh to say England are 'so bad', when in terms of population size, we are punching above our weight, which therefore shows that despite our natural hinderences in terms of population, our footballing facilities are good enough to allow us to punch above our weight as it were, and for that the footballing setup in England should be praised and not criticised.
Obviously there is far more to it than population, however it makes a large impact if you have few, or many, players to choose from.
However in fairness, I think it is harsh to say England are 'so bad', when in terms of population size, we are punching above our weight, which therefore shows that despite our natural hinderences in terms of population, our footballing facilities are good enough to allow us to punch above our weight as it were, and for that the footballing setup in England should be praised and not criticised.
I'm not really on about the capping at the top tbh, yes it would help as it free up some space for english players. But as you said the standard of football would go down and money lost. I want to see it more in the youth set ups etc. I agree with bringing the youth up to standard by changing the way we play. But reducing the amount of foreign youngsters brought in would also help.
I use to be a youth coach for my local side and have done a few badges and as said before atm it's to much about the winning at all costs. Which it shouldn't be especially for the much younger age groups.
I don't think that necessarily follows. However, there are probably other social and political barriers that don't help. Ethnically, asians don't seem to make it through a pros, we have less school playing fields than we used to, kids today seem to prefer the 'virtual' world etc etc.
Why are England so bad? Well basically the selection process seems to favour a limited number of teams, most of whom have been using foreign labour which has prevented our home grown players from working their way up. Until the selectors realise that there are better players in the the other teams the quicker we will see a decent English side.
Wow Saint birdsnest. I'm not sure if I admire your optimism and positivity or should ring for help. Talk about trying to find that silver lining.