You should have a gander at this: http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...draw-from-scotland/page__st__500#entry3357928 I'll post it though: Please stop this idiotic drivel about Rangers being hard done by in some way. Sorry, but not on this planet. You wonder why everyone was so down on Rangers? Could it be because you had been lording it over the rest of Scottish football (Celtic excepted) for decades, whilst cheating financially on a staggering scale to ensure your position could never be threatened? Everybody likes to see a bully get their comeuppance, and Rangers were one of the biggest bullies in football history. Having been found out, Rangers then showed zero remorse (still haven't, in fact) and have continued to behave with unbelievable arrogance even as their club collapsed around them. Had it not been for the utter lack of humility shown by the club, other people might have been more sympathetic, but that's the Rangers way, isn't it? Then the unthinkable happened - you actually went bust. And contrary to what you appear to think, every authority in Scottish football immediately began to do everything in their power to ensure that you had as soft a landing as possible. Administrators are supposed to act on behalf of the creditors, to get them the best deal possible. That's almost the exact opposite of what happened in your case. The company's largest assets (Ibrox and Murray Park) were not sold off to the highest bidder to pay off the creditors. Instead, they were placed out of the creditors' reach by selling them to NewCo for a derisory sum (about £4.5m, IIRC - when Ibrox alone had been valued at £100m in Rangers' own accounts!) This was allowed to go unchallenged. Was there a fire sale of players? No. In fact, Green threatened legal action against players who exercised their right to leave. Then we come to the question of where NewCo would play, and the shameful shenanigans that went on to try to prevent them from having to follow the rules. As a new club, NewCo should have had to apply to join SFL3, like any other new club would have to. But instead we were treated to the spectacle of the SPL and SFA seriously considering reinserting them into the SPL and pretending nothing had happened. It's hardly surprising the fans of other clubs were screaming blue murder - the authorities had thrown away their own rule book and were making things up as they went along, because this was Rangers, and the usual rules don't apply to OF clubs. Fortunately, sanity prevailed and the SPL clubs voted against this madness, which really and truly would have made Scottish football a laughing stock around the world. Then the focus went on to the SFL, who were pressurised into putting NewCo into SFL1 - for which there was even less justification than keeping them in the SPL, since the latter is a separate body. But this failed too, amid dire predictions of doom and apocalypse (which have failed to ensue). So NewCo went to SFL3. Then we started to get this nonsense about 'we've been punished enough'. Complete twaddle. You weren't punished AT ALL for anything you did. The 'demotion' was anything but - instead of having to reapply to the SFL, you were allowed to keep OldCo's membership and bypass the application process. It was doing NewCo a favour. The only 'punishments' dealt out to Rangers were a miserable fine, a transfer ban which was carefully arranged to cause a minimum of inconvenience (it didn't start till you had already signed players for this season, and will end just in time for you to register players for next season!) and a requirement to pay 'football debts', which was trivial in comparison to the series of favours you had received. Then the new season began, with Rangers in Div 3, but still owning Ibrox and Murray Park, still having much of their squad, still having all their coaching staff, having made virtually nobody redundant, and claiming somehow to be both a new club (hence debt free) and an old club (hence with all the Rangers history). No attempt has been made to challenge this at all. Next thing we know, 'Rangers' - who are supposed to have gone bust and returned as a new entity - are signing players from SPL clubs and paying them bumper SPL wages to play in SFL3. Is it any wonder that your club are resented? The scale of the heist you have pulled off is breathtaking. You were cheating, you were found out, you went bust, and yet you have been allowed to carry on as if nothing had happened. Your 'punishment' has been a slap on the wrist at best. And despite all this, you honestly think you have been mistreated! If Hearts go to the wall, do you think we will get ANY of the special treatment you did? Not a chance in hell.
I saw that Jambo's Kickback post before - the guy ticks all the boxes. Seriously, read the onfieldsofgreen one, it's a bit lengthy but it sums up Green and Traynor's thought police stuff pretty well.
I liked that a lot, I agree with most of it. This paragraph sums up my thoughts: What these men are asking you to do is … trust no-one but them. To treat every negative word as if it were an assault on your soul. To chop down the grapevine. To believe only half of what you see, and none of what you hear, unless it comes out of the Ibrox press room. To put your faith – all of it – in the hands of men who have a history for feeding you bullshit. They say even a broken clock is right twice a day, but the media, all of it, and the bloggers too, are not to be afforded even that level of respect? Green and Traynor want their voices to be the ones to which you listen. For all debate to be treated with contempt. For you to see scrutiny – all scrutiny – as having a sinister motive. They are actually making paranoia the official media strategy of the club, and they are asking you to buy into it, with boycotts of every media outlet which does not carry the Rangers seal of approval. You think your club will be more open if you buy into that?
David Leggat is Puds uncle. Its official. From another thread. I dont think any worse of him and neither should any of you. Its not as if Leggo has any say in who his nephew is.
Monday, 28 January 2013 DAILY RHEBEL'S BOGUS CELTIC FIGURES EXPOSED THE consequences of the commercial deal which ties Celtic and the Daily Rhebel together – with Celtic paying the Rhebel and calling the tune – was never more apparent than when the paper published average attendance figures. Goodness knows what sour source these figures came from, but they were far from being official and verified, they bore little or no relation to the facts of the matter and to some, looked suspiciously like a put up job. Perhaps, some may think, even a scam, in which the Daily Rhebel participated in order to inflate Celtic’s worth and boost the share price of the Parkhead club. For according to the Daily Rhebel, the paper which now has Celtic as business partners in a print venture and which lost all semblance of trust from the many readers who have deserted it, the average of attendance at Parkhead and at Ibrox is roughly the same, on the 46,000 mark. Which is absolute nonsense. And more! These are figures which are absolute bunkum and balderdash. Nonsense which can easily be disproved. Bunkum and balderdash which can easily be exposed as a sham and a lie. For Rangers attendances this season are freely announced at every match played at Ibrox. Reporters attending Celtic games at Parkhead this season have been frustrated by the culture of secrecy practiced by Celtic, who do not announce specific attendance figures. Yet these Celtic figures are freely available. All that is needed is for any reporter who is not too lazy, too dim witted or too much in the dark, buttoned up in Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell’s back pocket, to do their job properly, without fear nor favour. A phone call to the police will soon reveal the true figures. For police are obliged by law to know how many people are in the ground at any one time when a football match is being staged. For a start, the 42,000 figure widely reported as the Parkhead attendance for last week’s game against Dundee United is entirely bogus. The true attendance, as verified officially by the Police, was a paltry 27,857. Of whom only 163 were visiting Dundee United supporters. But that misreporting of what is going on inside Parkhead is entirely in tune with how facts have been distorted and lies peddled on Celtic’s behalf by an apparently fearful and compliant media, led by Celtic supporting BBC Scotland and Celtic’s business partners at the Daily Rhebel. For instance, when Celtic played Inverness Caley at Parkhead the crowd was reported to have been 44,000. Is that the figure the Daily Rhebel used when working out Celtic’s home average? If so, it is no wonder the Rhebel is so far wrong. For the true attendance, the one which the Police have on record for that match, was 31,155. When Celtic played St Mirren at Parkhead the true Police verified official attendance was 31,415. And, despite a figure of 44,000 being published by Celtic supporting BBC Scotland when Celtic hosted Motherwell, the official Police figure came in at 31.000. Do you see a pattern here? Three attendances, officially on police records for three games all coming at the 31,000. Plus one even lower at just over 27,000. Yet Celtic, who pay the Daily Rhebel to do their commercial bidding, claim that Celtic’s average SPL gate this season is around the 46,000 mark. Other than to realise that the Daily Rhebel - whose editor, Allan Rennie, once sent a public message to the Rangers Tax Case blogger (remember him) offering to meet him and give him access to what was once a proud independent newspaper - nowadays scuttles through the shadows to do backroom deals with Celtic and tries to make people believe Celtic have a 46,000 average SPL attendance this season, the same as Rangers have in the Third Division. Despite the overwhelming weight of official evidence which proves this to be a downright, outright lie! Ahem: Based on official figures published by both clubs throughout 2012/13, Celtic’s average home crowd for league matches this season stands at 46,105, a total of 736 spectators less than Rangers have recorded. Strathclyde Police figures recorded by officers earlier in the campaign showed that the number of people attending the first three league games of the season for both clubs were lower than publicised. This is because clubs publish the total sales of tickets, including season books, rather than the actual number of spectators who physically attend. Police numbers showed 6,944, 9,071 and 11,060 fewer fans attended Rangers’ Third Division fixtures versus East Stirlingshire, Elgin City and Montrose than were credited in figures given by the club to journalists. Celtic’s had 6,731, 7,328 and 9,324 fewer in attendance than was publicised in matches against Aberdeen, Hibernian and Dundee respectively. http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/...dying-and-were-getting-double-celtics-crowds/
Mark Daly ‏@markdaly2 Nice to be getting so much attention from David Leggat. If only his sources were as good as he thought. Or even, actually existed....
The first one was that rabbit guy "Feeling a bit rattled, are we?" And the second one was the Prince of Logic fae Hutchie Grammar "What was innaccurate about it. Be specific." It says a lot about a mind that feels Leggo needs to be disproven whilst the BBC are to be assumed to be wrong.
I take it you all read Gordon Waddell's "North Korea/Rangers" piece last week. Check his twitter timeline from over the weekend It's basically an absolute justification of the whole piece.
Tuesday, 12 February 2013 POLICE TO GRILL DALY UNDER CAUTION? POLICE probing the HMRC leak to BBC Scotland’s investigative reporter Mark Daly, have already spoken unofficially to Beeb bosses about Daly.(How do the Police speak to people "unofficialy"?) But all contact so far has been unofficial and off the record, which means police have not interviewed the BBC big wigs under caution.(Or they have not interviewed them at all?) However, according to my well placed police source – who is a Scot, but is not a member of the Strathclyde Force – the investigation is now closing in on Mark Daly. (How would a Police Officer from another force know that Strathclyde's finest have spoken to people "Off the record"? The whole point of off the record chats is that no one else knows of them) The highly confidential tax records in question, which were leaked to Mark Daly, were those belonging to David Murray and Murray has already given police all the information he has. Police know the info could only have come from senior HMRC officials, either directly to Daly or via the mysterious person or persons behind the now discredited and disappeared Rangers Tax Case blog. Two crimes have been committed. One involving the Data Protection Act and a more serious one involving Tax confidentiality. (Which law is it that covers "Tax Confidentaility"?) Now it remains to be seen just what tact the polis will take when they approach Mark Daly. Given the unofficial off the record chats senior officers have had with Daly’s BBC bosses, it is inconceivable that Daly is not already aware of the grilling he faces. But will the polis trample all over Pacific Quay, as they once did when they raided Queen Margaret Drive? Will computers and any paper work they unearth be carried off? (Whataboutery at it's finest) Will the polis invite Mark Daly down to the station and interview him formally? Under caution? According to my source, the tactics have not yet been decided on. (I'm afraid that is pure unadulterated bullshit) Indeed, given that the investigation is being overseen by the Crown Office and the Procurator Fiscal, these august learned friends are more likely to make that decision than Strathclyde chief constable, Campbell Corrigan. (Well if you knew anything about Scots Law you would know that a decision to prosecute is not taken by the Police - or even the Chief Copper - it is taken by the Procurator Fiscal, this is Scots Law). Remember, too, that the Crown Office and the Procurator Fiscal are also overseeing the police probe into links between Craig Whyte, his erstwhile lawyer, Gary Withey, plus Duff and Phelps, people. (Again i'll remind you that is how it has always been) Jail time will surely be the outcome for at least one person from both probes, which are clearly linked. With BBC Scotland’s Mark Daly at the fulcrum. (Jail time? Jesus ) Daly was yesterday not only denying my story about him, but casting doubt on the very existence of my source.(More likely he was casting doubt on your sanity) Is Daly also denying that he has point blank refused to conduct any investigation into the identity of the now discredited and disappeared Rangers Tax Case blogger? (Why would that be his job if the Police are carrying out an investigation? That would be sub judice at the very least) ..... AND..... THE hysterical anti Rangers rant in Saturday’s Scottish Daily Mail by McCoist baiter, Stephen McGowan, was the last straw. I won’t be buying the Saturday edition again. (another boycott?) McGowan’s putrid style has replaced the stylish but now retired Brian Scott on a Saturday and it didn’t take former Celtic View editor McGowan long to put the boot into Rangers. Remember that McGowan was in the vanguard of those who called for censorship over the identity of the SFA's secret Tribunal and who attacked Alastair McCoist was calling for transparency.(What?)By Monday – and I read this in the supermarket – his fellow McCoist baiter John Greechan was allowed by Dundee United supporting, Rangers hating sports editor Dougie McRobb, to take another swipe at Rangers on the same subject. That’s more than a pattern. (Yes, that's paranoia) Greechan, with no sense of irony or self awareness,(Is he for real) screamed his hysteria about how, if anybody asked him not to publish anything, that made certain he would publish it. Which is a fine and noble journalistic principle. But it is not John Greechan’s journalistic principle. For when Alastair McCoist called for the men who sat on an SFA Tribunal to be named, Greechan, like McGowan, had a fit and took the hump. Secrecy, apparently, was his journalistic watchword at that time.
I hope Leggo has a boxset of Downton Abbey or something to watch tonight - it's gonna be a lonely bottle of vodka getting cuddled in Blotto Towers tonight
