We're going round in circles Rebel... We have two differing viewpoints and I don't see us ever agreeing! You're now coming across as arrogant and condesending IMO - as it's hard to judge written posts
I think a poll on the Celtic board should sort this, those who want the songs out and those who don't see who wins.
How are you vindicated? The initial premise of this whole thread, going back to the first post, was: "Can we now all agree that IRA ditties should no longer be sung?" - the reason being we had been charged as a direct result of said IRA ditties. Who brought banning all so called 'rebel songs' into it? Not me, it wasn't the premise of this thread as you seem to insist. It was IRA chants - that simple. We now have incontestable evidence that, as the vast, vast majority of us had suggested was the case from the outset, and that I provided quotes for as being the reason for being reported that you completely disregarded, we were charged by UEFA for IRA chants. It seemed that very few people seemed to be in any doubt of this throughout all 100 odd posts and 8 pages, with the notable exception of you. So, I'm bewildered as to how you've come to the conclusion that you're now vindicated in your stance of disregarding any suggestion that we had been reported for IRA chants?!! Illogical in the extreme.
RB - here are some of your quotes from earlier: "there should be no singing in european games whatsoever because nobody knows what these illicit songs are." "No we do not know. To suggest otherwise is inaccurate." "i am not in denial about anything. The club doesn't know what the "illicit chants" are. This is a fact." "nobody knows what the charge is for." "The club do not know what the "illicit chants" are. Nor do you." --------------------- So now it comes to light that the club does actually know what the 'illicit chants' were and they are indeed IRA chants as we all suggested from the offset...so who's vindicated?
I have no respect for anyone who will not stand by their assertions. Would you like to tell the boys and girls why you went back and amended your posts?
It's you lot that canny agree but as i suspect the result would be a majority win for songs of such nature not to be sung at celtic games, thus the majority of fans do not want nothing to do with it and the minority of fans do wish to continue singing them
If you mean post 28, check post 30 where you quote it in full. No alterations at all, I think you'll find. I considered clarifiying a point last night but changed my mind. If you mean post 149, I altered it two minutes after the initial post to include a new quote from you (the one about the premise of the whole thread being 'rebel songs' etc etc) which I hadn't previously noted. So I stand by each and every assertion I've made (none of which has altered). Whether this endows me with your 'respect' or not is of no concern to me whatsoever. Remember I mentioned pedantry a hundred posts or so ago...? To use a rather fanciful metaphor, if I see a man have his head blown off with a shotgun, I'm willing to say I 'know' he died as a result of a gunshot wound. You apparently would ignore all evidence and say no one can possibly 'know' that. And then three days later when a post-mortem shockingly reveals cause of death as a shotgun blast to head, claim your stance was vindicated. The fact is we were right, you were a pedant, and the statement merely confirmed what we said from the outset. Going back to the original premise - this should put an end to the debate of whether we should sing IRA ditties.
The Parkhead gymnastics team is out early this morning. You want pedantry, you got it. The "Offending" song is not an "IRA ditty" (singular), it is the Celtic symphony and as such the offending song is a Celtic song. I have offered my thoughts on this song on more than one occasion. Toe use a rather fanciful metaphor, if you knew it was a shotgun wound & you knew which shotgun did the damage, why did you keep yer gub shut? On the night of the Rennes game, a number of rebel songs were sung with some gusto as I recall. As such we know with absolute certainty that these songs are absolutely and certainly legitimate. It would be rather a strange match commander to suddenly disapprove of something he could/should/would have cited us for on this occasion...... So yes, the debate has been answered in full. It has taken us 8 pages to get here, but I am delighted that we have finally reached an accord
So if the debate's over what you going to rattle on about now Rebs? Where's good for a night out in Londonderry?
Dont know. I suspect someone will raise it again and we will do this whole dance again. It depends what you like for a night out. Pubs, waterloo street. Clubs aint my bag. I dont know anywhere on the waterside. Never been out there. Derry is a good spot for a night out. You'd be made very welcome.
I disagree Reb because as I recall, when we discussed this particular song a while back, I pointed out that I have heard "Ooh ahh up the Ra" sung in isloation, as a song on it's own, and not part of some "symphony". However that is not the issue, if we are to belive - as we have oft been told - that IRA songs are political, then they on that basis alone are banned by UEFA. It is crystal clear, no room for doubt and likewise no room for manoeuvre, if our fans sing anything about the IRA again and it is reported we will face further sanctions. I have heard a lot of pontification on these boards from some quarters what it means to be a supporter, well this is a litmus test, if anyone does sing these songs and we find ourselves as a club in the dock again there will be fingers pointed and rightly so, and those fingers will be firmly and clearly pointed towards the people whose political ideology is more important than the club they profess to support. In short, in my opinion, anyone who sings IRA songs now is not a true Celtic supporter, because when you undermine a thing you fail to support a thing.
These songs were sung against Rennes, they were not reported and we were not fined. These songs have been sung since Rennes and Lawwell has praised the support. I respect your right and the right of anyone else to disagree with my perspective. But what I have posted is fact.
